Vanessa L. Williams

by ethnic on January 27, 2009

Birth Name: Vanessa Lynn Williams

Place of Birth: Tarrytown, New York, U.S.

Date of Birth: March 18, 1963

Ethnicity: African-American, along with some English and Welsh, possibly Native American

Vanessa L. Williams is an American actress, singer, songwriter, producer, model, and television personality. She became famous by being the first African-American to win the Miss America Pageant, in 1983.

Vanessa is the daughter of Helen L. (Tinch) and Milton Augustine Williams, Jr. Her parents were both black. Her brother is actor and comedian Chris Williams. Vanessa grew up in a the mainly white middle-class suburb of Millwood, New York. Vanessa is married to businessperson Jim Skrip. She has three children with her former husband, public relations specialist Ramon Hervey II, and a daughter with her former husband, Canadian basketball player and actor Rick Fox.

In an interview, a journalist stated that Vanessa’s mixed heritage includes African American, Welsh, and Native American. It is not clear if this Native American ancestry has been documented/verified. Vanessa appeared on the program Who Do You Think You Are? (2011), where she discovered that her great-great-grandfather, David Carll, was a “mulatto” (mixed race) man who avoided slavery and married a white woman (her great-great-grandmother).

Vanessa’s ancestry is at least 1/32nd English. One of her maternal great-great-great-grandfathers, George Appleford, was born in Surrey, England, in 1802.

Vanessa’s paternal grandfather was Milton Augustine/Abner Williams (the son of John Hill Williams and Mary L. Fields). John was the son of George Williams and Mollie/Molly Turner. Mary L. was the daughter of William A. Fields and Elizabeth “Lizzie” Fields.

Vanessa’s paternal grandmother was Iris Agnes Carl/Carll (the daughter of Frank S. Carl/Carll and Imogene Jackson). Frank was the son of David Carll and Mary Louisa Appleford, who was white, and whose own father was English. Imogene was the daughter of Henry Titus Jackson and Emiline/Emmaline G. Russell.

Vanessa’s maternal grandfather was Edward James Tinch (the son of John Wilbur Tinch and Helen Elizabeth Fitzgerald). John was the son of John Tinch. Helen was the daughter of William Fitzgerald and Margaret.

Vanessa’s maternal grandmother was Doris Catherine Griffen/Griffin (the daughter of Moses George Wilson and Elvira Viola Johnson). Moses George was the son of George Wilson and Frances Duson. Elvira was the daughter of Waldo/Walter Johnson and Fannie/Fanny Cavel/Calvin.

An Ancestry.com DNA test stated that Vanessa’s genetic ancestry is:

*56% African
——–*23% Ghana
——–*15% Cameroon/Congo
——–*7% Togo
——–*6% Benin
——–*5% Senegal
*44% European
——–*17% British Isles
——–*12% Finnish/Ural/Volga
——–*11% Southern European
——–*4% Spain/Portugal

Vanessa has said:

Now, I can’t wait to go to Ghana and Cameroon and Togo and Senegal — it’s a great opportunity to see why the customs resonate with you. I love to travel and I love to explore, and I have to admit that I was always jealous of people who knew their cultural background. Both my family and myself came out with light eyes, so obviously there is a recessive gene here. Not knowing what that was just made me very curious.

Sources: Genealogies of Vanessa L. Williams – http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com
http://www.geni.com

Genealogy of Vanessa’s father (focusing on his mother’s side) – https://www.findagrave.com

Vanessa’s paternal grandmother, Iris Agnes Carl/Carll, on the 1930 U.S. Census – https://familysearch.org

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midori29 February 9, 2018 at 5:29 am

Many pictures of pure 100% black Africans with blue, green and grey eyes are on the internet ,

Links : http://afritorial.com/black-people-with-blue-eyes/

andrew October 6, 2017 at 12:45 pm
abbracci October 7, 2015 at 11:02 pm

Every Black person who has blue eyes and light skin obviously have some white in them from rape. No offense.

fuzzybear44 October 8, 2015 at 12:30 am

@abbracci

That’s not true, there’s lots of reasons why black people have blue eyes, European blood is only one of them.

Jordan January 14, 2016 at 2:21 pm

No Fuzzybear, that’s incorrect. Non-Caucasian people don’t have to genes for light eyes. So either the black person is mixed (which all African Americans are) or a super, super rare mutation happened. But her facial features is obviously very non-African.

fuzzybear44 January 15, 2016 at 12:54 am

@ Jordan

No Jordan, you’re the one who is mistaken. All human have the same genes, and same potential for mutation. The light eye gene as you call it, precedes the pale skin mutation, that is responsible for white Europeans by at least 3000 yrs. It’s also a fact that some of the ancient black Europeans had blue eyes, when there were no white people around(if you follow the latest information on the subject). Brown is said to be the primary eye colors, so all other colors outside that are mutations. Africans today have (Blue, green, hazel, red, grey etc) without Europe help, some have physical problems, while others function normally. Now yes, the avg African American is said to be of mixed ancestry(either first generation or mutli generation). However not all AA’s are mixed. My niece was diagnose with ocular albinism, her blue eyes don’t come from her European heritage(she has to wear shades outside, but she’s ok). Now while light eyes in Africa are much less common(ok much less) than they are in Europe, they do happen. Her facial features are not uncommon in Africa, lot of Africans have the a Caucasoid phenotype(Fulani,Wodaabe etc)

fuzzybear44 January 15, 2016 at 1:04 am

PS.

To the First generation people who read this, me calling you African American was not meant as an insult. I see you as black people, but that’s how I see you.I am not trying to force my will on you, by all means Identify yourself the way you want

bablah January 15, 2016 at 11:06 am

It is rather obvious when people are talking about blue eyes they are not talking about the effects of albinism or waardenberg syndrome. These people still have genes for brown eyes, but the genes for their illness overrides them. It’s like saying that europeans can have epicanthic folds without asian ancestry because people with down syndrome have them.
About blue eyes in africa. Yes there are blue eyes in Africa. North Africa! That has been in contact with eurasian people for millenia.
(Seriously, Fulanis? Isn’t their culture heavily influenced by Arab culture. That means they had some type of contact).
Fact is the genes for blue eyes came about in the area around Black Sea. I’ll let you guess where the Black Sea is located. Hint: starts with eur- ends with -asia.
For instance the blond hair in Europe and blond hair in the Melanesia is caused by different genes and they mutated separately. If there is a person with blue eyes in africa his ”blue eye gene” is the same one as in an european person.

To correct abracci (I actually can’t stand that person, they write a lot of ignorant stuff here):
99,99% of black people with blue eyes have them because of eurasian ancestry, even if it’s very distant.

I also have a problem with this sentence of yours:
”Brown is said to be the primary eye colors, so all other colors outside that are mutations.”

Brown eye colour is also a mutation. Or in other words, having an iris itself was a mutation. It just happens so that the first iris was brown. Well, I actually don’t know if they were, but at least when we evolved into humans at that point our irises were brown. I think.

fuzzybear44 January 16, 2016 at 2:26 am

@bablah

Quote:
(It is rather obvious when people are talking about blue eyes they are not talking about the effects of albinism or waardenberg syndrome. These people still have genes for brown eyes, but the genes for their illness overrides them)

It’s also rather obvious that most people have a very narrow view of how they see things. Most people probably don’t give Africa a second thought, much less care about the mutations that go on there. They’re taught from childhood( by cartoons, movies etc), that only white people can have blue eyes . Also the only form of albinism they’re taught, if taught at all, are albinos that look like this:
http://asb4.com/bike/fiets/media/albino.jpg

Now as for people with albinism or waardenberg still having the brown gene, So do blue eyed white people. Which explains why two blue eyed white people can still have a brown eyed child:
http://genetics.thetech.org/how-blue-eyed-parents-can-have-brown-eyed-children
Also we have no idea what kind of problems that person 10,000 yrs had, he could have been blind for all we know. The article said everyone had brown eyes, which mean he had the brown eye gene, that got turned off
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(About blue eyes in africa. Yes there are blue eyes in Africa. North Africa! That has been in contact with eurasian people for millenia.)

North African, well that’s a place with plenty of visitors from Europe(which is probably where their blue eyes come from). Now for the Eurasian heritage a number of African groups if not most(both North and Sub-Saharan), have Eurasian ancestry, from back migration and other means. Those Eurasian people today, are not like the ones from the past

Quote:
(Fact is the genes for blue eyes came about in the area around Black Sea. I’ll let you guess where the Black Sea is located. Hint: starts with eur- ends with -asia.
For instance the blond hair in Europe and blond hair in the Melanesia is caused by different genes and they mutated separately. If there is a person with blue eyes in africa his ”blue eye gene” is the same one as in an european person.)

Fact, the person who had those blue eyes 10,000 years ago was not a white. Fact, when people migrated out of Africa, they spread all over the place. So the man being up in the Black sea area means nothing,(he was still dark brown to black). Fact, he could have just migrated there, and then died shortly afterwards, the article doesn’t say where he was born. Fact, these dark skin people were moving all over the place for at-least 3000 years before the pale skin mutation came about.

Now I check that article on blue eyes again, because it always bothered me. He got his results by only testing 155 Europeans, 5 from turkey and 2 from Jordan. Yet I don’t see where he tested any Africans. Now I did say that many African groups Have Eurasian ancestry, for whatever reason. and if we go back far enough, everyone is related. However there is yet no proof that the blue eye of these Africans has anything to do with that guy 10k years ago. As you said, the pale skin mutation happen twice, the blond hair mutation happen more than once. So who’s to say blue eyes wouldn’t happen more than once? Green eyes happen more often:
http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0qff8YCFy1r4137ho1_500.jpg
http://s.plurielles.fr/mmdia/i/88/1/le-chanteur-lemar-10545881pdvxa_123.jpg?v=1

Quote:
(I also have a problem with this sentence of yours:
”Brown is said to be the primary eye colors, so all other colors outside that are mutations.”

Brown eye colour is also a mutation. Or in other words, having an iris itself was a mutation. It just happens so that the first iris was brown. Well, I actually don’t know if they were, but at least when we evolved into humans at that point our irises were brown. I think.

Well you considering brown as a mutation to is fine. However for all these colors to be mutations, there had to be a primary. Also basically, humans are nothing but walking mutations. Us talking instead of grunting is probably a mutation.

passingtime85 February 10, 2016 at 11:37 am

Didn’t human/neanderthal crossbreeding cause the influx of genes causing the separation of phenotype in modern humanity’s “races”? Isn’t that why sub-Saharan Africans not only have neanderthal dna absent from their genome, unlike Caucasians and Mongoloids, but also why they don’t have light features?

fuzzybear44 February 10, 2016 at 11:56 am

@passingtime85

That’s incorrect, it seems Almost if not all Sub-Saharan Africans have Neanderthal dna or Eurasian DNA:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34479905

passingtime85 February 10, 2016 at 1:21 pm

That’s states that Eurasians, human/neanderthals hybrids, brought in Neanderthal dna back to Africa about 3000 ago. Caucasoids can trace 1-4% their dna, to neanderthal dna contributions, and mongoloids can have more than that. However the majority of Sub-Saharan Africans have less than 1/10th of a percent.

It also states that the remains of remains of an Ethiopian from 4500 years showed absolutely no admixture with Eurasians, or that his dna was void a neanderthal genetic contribution.

It basically confirms again what I said, light features are from neanderthal/human crossbreeding. Sub-Saharan Africans have the least genetic influence from neanderthals in the modern humans. I’m not denying modern sub-Saharans can have light features, but originally they would not have, not without neanderthal influence.

passingtime85 February 10, 2016 at 1:31 pm

Whoops, should have said 7/10ths of a percent.

fuzzybear44 February 13, 2016 at 12:37 am

@passingtime85
Quote:
( Isn’t that why sub-Saharan Africans not only have neanderthal dna absent from their genome)

The point was, that you stated they had no Neanderthal DNA. I was showing that they do have it. I’m sure they would be more than happy to be without it.

Quote:
(It basically confirms again what I said, light features are from neanderthal/human crossbreeding. Sub-Saharan Africans have the least genetic influence from neanderthals in the modern humans.)

From what I’ve read, human mutations, such as ( light features)evolved independently from Neanderthals in different genes. Plus seeing how those said mutations in Humans came about well after Neanderthals were gone . I seriously doubt the Neanderthal contribution had anything to do with it

Quote:
(I’m not denying modern sub-Saharans can have light features, but originally they would not have, not without neanderthal
influence.)

That’s pure speculation on your part. Don’t people from Papua New Guinea, have more of that ancient Dna than euro’s do, yet look at them. They’re not blue eyes, or full of pale skin people. Melanesians have blond hair, and it is said they got a contribution from The Denisovans. However the The Denisovans are said to have had brown hair and skin, and eyes

passingtime85 February 14, 2016 at 6:09 pm

I was wrong sub-Saharan Africans do have a small percentage of neanderthal dna. Sorry?

Light skin and certain hair colors have been associated with neanderthals influence. I’ve only heard that human eye color developed independently. I imagine the data will eventually reflect more of a neanderthal influence on human eye color though. As neanderthals did have a greater variance of eye color than humans, and they did cross pollinate with humans over the course of several thousand years, how could we not inherit any of those genes?

It may be pure speculation, but you yourself have stated that light genes come from Eurasia. Eurasians inherited lighter skin tones from neanderthals. So exactly how would sub-Saharan’s exhibit those traits without, at least an indirect, influence from neanderthals?

Asians in general have more neanderthal influence genetically than Euros. So why aren’t they more fair? Because their environments don’t call for it seems to be the simplest explanation. As for blondes with denisovans dna, the simplest explanation is that the human dna dominated the denisovan dna. Or maybe I’m making stuff up.

fuzzybear44 February 15, 2016 at 12:03 am

@passingtime85

Quote:
(Light skin and certain hair colors have been associated with neanderthals influence. I’ve only heard that human eye color developed independently)

This is what it said in the article I read , I can provide page if needed:
Neanderthals had a mutation in this receptor gene that has not been found in modern humans. The mutation changes an amino acid, making the resulting protein less efficient. Modern humans have other MCR1 variants that are also less active resulting in red hair and pale skin. The less active Neanderthal mutation probably also resulted in red hair and pale skin, as in modern humans.

The specific MCR1 mutation in Neanderthals has not found in modern humans (or occurs extremely rarely in modern humans). This indicates that the two mutations for red hair and pale skin occurred independently and does not support the idea of gene flow between Neanderthals and modern humans.

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( but you yourself have stated that light genes come from Eurasia. )

This doesn’t sound like something I would say, please show me where I made this comment.

Quote:
(Eurasians inherited lighter skin tones from neanderthals. So exactly how would sub-Saharan’s exhibit those traits without, at least an indirect, influence from neanderthals?)

Until about 5.5 to maybe 7,000 yrs ago, there were no light skin people in Eurasia or anywhere else. So seeing how Neanderthals died out about 20,000 years before that happen, I don’t think their genes had anything to do with it . Now to answer your other question, I believe nature was the culprit. Africa is not one big oven, it has different environments(including cool ones). Plus nature loves a variety of color. It does it to other animals, so why would we be any different. The Andaman Islands people probably have more Neanderthals or Denisovans DNA than any African, and as you can see, they’re still black and have remained unchanged by that DNA.

Well I do believe that each version of the pale skin mutation(both Asian and euro), was pass on by sexual conquest. However why things like blond hair and blue eyes are not very common over there in Asians, I can truly say IDK

passingtime85 February 15, 2016 at 9:09 pm

I thought I posted this but I guess it didn’t go through, so here it is again.

The genes BNC2 and POU2F3 were inherited from neanderthals and most likely the reason Europeans and Asians have lighter complexions. Not sure about hair color, it seems to be still in dispute.

I guess I misunderstood this paragraph – North African, well that’s a place with plenty of visitors from Europe(which is probably where their blue eyes come from). Now for the Eurasian heritage a number of African groups if not most(both North and Sub-Saharan), have Eurasian ancestry, from back migration and other means. Those Eurasian people today, are not like the ones from the past

Overall I’ll say I don’t know anything really, but here are some informative links –

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/neanderthal_facts_and_myths.shtml

http://www.dailytech.com/NeanderthalHuman+Breeding+Was+Hard+But+Yielded+Benefits/article34236.htm

fuzzybear44 February 15, 2016 at 11:29 pm

@ passingtime

Quote:
(The genes BNC2 and POU2F3 were inherited from neanderthals and most likely the reason Europeans and Asians have lighter complexions)

I saw the pages, but they seem to be from 2014. The information I’ve been looking at is from late 2015. However I don’t know, I don’t profess to be that knowledgeable about Neanderthals, they’re not my normal area of focus. What bothers me about this , is that for humans to have inherited those genes, that it would take about 35,000 yrs for them to work. I find that very difficult to agree with. Like I said, I believe the pale skin mutation was spread thru sexual conquest, and even that took thousand of years to do. To me, I still think nature is the culprit more than those genes

passingtime85 February 16, 2016 at 10:02 am

Neanderthals were nearly completely gone by 29,000 years ago. I’ve heard that the genes effecting human skin pigmentation developed between 11,000-19,000 years ago. That would leave a 10,000 year gap, at the absolute very best, between the extinction of neanderthals and humans starting to develop lighter features. So the dates don’t really align.

This all has to be taken with a grain of salt though. Very few remains, suitable for genetic testing, have survived to the present. The earliest example of human/neanderthal cross breeding, so far proven by dna analysis, was from the remains of a male that lived 40,000 years ago in Romania.

At that time neanderthals had been out of Africa for around 160,000 years by conservative estimates. That’s more than enough to time to adapt to the different diets and environments of Eurasia. So any cross breeding would lead to the influx of neanderthal genes that were not present in the ancient human genome. Genes that included paler skin and various eye colors.

We haven’t found the evidence yet, I surmise we will eventually. Overall I’ll concede for now, until more data is collected. Humans seem to have not picked up many phenotypical traits from their ancient cousins, at least not as much as I originally thought.

Samiiraa April 29, 2017 at 5:39 am

The comparison with Fulani people is not a good one since they carry West Eurasian dna.
Vanessa Williams is obviously mixed, I don’t even know why you are still debating on this.

passingtime85 April 30, 2017 at 5:23 pm

Samiiraa…no one has commented on this profile in more than a year, besides you.

midori29 February 9, 2018 at 5:26 am

@Jordan and Abracci NOT TRUE. There are PURE black Africans with blue and greene eyes its just a recessive gene so anyone can develop it if thier genes change. Just use google and you will find links of 100% black Africans with these traits. Humans developed out of Africa so any African can get these eye colors. And MOST blacks carry this gene both from being African and from slavery. My moms eyes changed from brown to Blue when she turned 70 yrs old because of eye pigment loss I am sure. There is NO excuse for anyone not to use google these days its easy to research this stuff.

Black Africans carry the worlds gene pool all of it. With loss of dna and climate change humans began to look different. Links to pure black Africans with blue, grey and green eyes. http://afritorial.com/black-people-with-blue-eyes/

passingtime85 February 9, 2018 at 11:09 am

Just to throw in my 2 cents back into this discussion. Humanity’s history is sloppy. DNA has been swapped around back and forth for tens of thousands of years.

Africans have more foreign DNA than most people realize. Not only that but, Africans themselves are not as purely human as many people think. Like the humans of Europe and Asia who bred with Neanderthals and Denisovans, Africans too bred with archaic Sub-Saharan African hominins, species we cannot yet accurately identify, but their traces are in the DNA, and they’re decidedly not human.

More to the point though, most scientists believe currently that blue eyes popped up in the Black Sea region 10000+ years ago. Between 4000 and 3000 years ago a huge migration of Eurasians flooded back into Africa.
This migration brought new DNA. 25% of Africa’s current population are descended from these Eurasians. Even West African or South Africans have 5-6% of their genome that directly descends from western Eurasian farmers.

Traces of Neanderthal heritage that are in sub-Saharan populations, in the range of 0.3-0.7%, are present because of the reentry of the Eurasians. More importantly however, the genes brought by the Eurasian contained DNA for more variations for phenotypical features.

Side not though, DNA studies also show the migration was not only one way. Middle east populations received a huge influx of sub-Saharan DNA during that time, that is shown in traces in most modern middle eastern gene pools.

But that’s not the only time non-Africans have had a large influence on African DNA. You have to take in account that for the past 1500 years or so, East Africa has traded goods AND DNA with the Middle East and India, in a more fluid fashion than simple mass migration.

I’m not saying Africans do not, or cannot have light eyes and light skin. I’m just saying that it is likely those features, when present in large numbers as to reflect inherited familial traits rather than genetic disease like Waardenburg syndrome, were probably derived from breeding with people that had been out of Africa for a while.

Really though the whole discussion is sort of moot. We’re talking about traits inherited thousands of years ago. Unless we build a time machine and go back and take some snap shots of people and get DNA samples we may never know how people developed into what they look like today. This website is about recent genealogy, it shouldn’t really be a place to question who is what, and why,”pure black people cannot have blue eyes, they have to be mixed with white for that to happen” and/or if it makes anyone more or less than, ex. “black women are the most beautiful, no mestiza women are” etc, that’s how people get offended and comments get heated.

jlchilds September 29, 2015 at 7:13 pm

vanessa williams

“My DNA breaks down as follows: I’m 23% from Ghana, 17% from the British Isles, 15% from Cameroon, 12% Finnish, 11% Southern European, 7% Togo, 6% Benin, 5% Senegal and 4% Portuguese. Now, I can’t wait to go to Ghana and Cameroon and Togo and Senegal — it’s a great opportunity to see why the customs resonate with you. I love to travel and I love to explore, and I have to admit that I was always jealous of people who knew their cultural background. Both my family and myself came out with light eyes, so obviously there is a recessive gene here. Not knowing what that was just made me very curious”

http://blogs.ancestry.com/cm/2013/05/14/actress-vanessa-williams-explains-how-dna-powers-her-family-tree/

midori29 September 14, 2015 at 7:50 pm

Vanessa Williams as a little girl and family picture. Her brother is alot darker than her.
http://www.arogundade.com/Resources/family-vanessa-w.jpeg

Alice September 5, 2015 at 3:00 am

Her DNA test is definitely not from 23andMe as stated above. It looks like an Ancestry.com test.

midori29 September 17, 2015 at 10:44 am

@ALICE I would think as a huge celebrity that she is they would have given her the MOST accurate test.

midori29 September 17, 2015 at 10:45 am

The test results look correct

passingtime85 September 4, 2015 at 12:16 pm

Correction.

Why not add her DNA test results? Or if not all, at least some?

23% Ghana
17%British Isles
15% Cameroon/Congo
13% Finnish/Ural/Volga
11% Southern European
7% Togo
6% Benin
5% Senegal
4% Spain/Portugal

Bow Down Bitches July 26, 2015 at 8:28 pm

i bet she’s more white than black. i don’t get why blacks stick to that stupid one drop rule, this isn’t the segregated days anymore.

fuzzybear44 July 26, 2015 at 10:49 pm

(i bet she’s more white than black)

Her DNA results says she more black by 56%

cwm85 July 27, 2015 at 12:19 am

My great-great-great grand father was English too. John Williamson was his name. He was a solider in the civil war. Maybe me and Vanessa are related? Lol

Surreal August 3, 2015 at 10:25 pm

She’s 56% Sub-Saharan African, 44% European.
And she’s a Multi-generational mixed person, meaning her admixture isn’t recent and carried down from her parents who were both African American as well.

andrew August 4, 2015 at 7:17 am

I’d like to know Midori DNA test

SB.K September 13, 2015 at 5:44 am

If mixed people like or not they are black, if you do not believe me go ask a white racist what colour is this mixed person. They would tell you, society views mixed people as blacks.

fuzzybear44 September 13, 2015 at 11:03 am

@sb.k

You’re. Right., the other day my brother and his afro-cuban/Salvadoran girlfriend (both brighter than Vanessa),got into an argument. With this white man. The first thing he started was with the spic this and nig that

andrew September 13, 2015 at 2:53 pm

SB.K.

I don’t consider mixed people as black. I guess it happens only in North America, where there are a few pure West Africans to spot the difference.

fuzzybear44 September 13, 2015 at 10:11 pm

@Andrew

you might not consider mixed people as black. However I’ve seen to many examples of your fellow Europeans calling a biracial person black. Also there are many pure West and East Africans here. However it would do any good , seeing how AA’s come all kind of ways

andrew September 14, 2015 at 2:50 am

it’s because biracial people alwais look closer to their black side, European genes are weak. A biracial person (50 SSA/50 Euro) hardly passes for white.

andrew September 14, 2015 at 2:54 am

I said “hardly” because if I said “impossible” you would have found some examples to challenge my statement

fuzzybear44 September 14, 2015 at 11:16 pm

@Andrew

Quote(it’s because biracial people alwais look closer to their black side, European genes are weak. A biracial person (50 SSA/50 Euro) hardly passes for white.)

I think it’s more to it, than just weak genes. When a bi looks more black, I think it has to do with the European not being pure(IMO). No one every questions if the European is pure or not( except me) Now a 50/50 looking white, how would you know if they were half black?

midori29 September 14, 2015 at 7:55 pm

@Andrew, All blacks are mixed . Southern white Europeans in Spain, Portugal and Greece are mixed too so I guess theyre not white.
Some whites loke calling certain blacks “mixed” only when they are attractive and famous. Puhlease, they love to divide.

cwm85 September 13, 2015 at 5:07 pm

But its not biologically possible for someone to be mixed with black and white or more and be just African. I’m African, english, scottish, native American and have full whites and natives and other mixed raced family members. Its not possible for us or Vanessa Williams to just be “black’ A Mexican is majority a mestizo. Meaning Spanish and native. They are who they are. Not just one race. I think society should respect we multi racial people more. That is who we are. Multi racial no matter what society says.

fuzzybear44 September 13, 2015 at 10:34 pm

@cwm

Quote;(But its not biologically possible for someone to be mixed with black and white or more and be just African)

No one called anybody just African. Every black person I know, is aware that they have other ancestry besides African. However the black part is what they know. It’s how they grew up, it’s what they take pride in

Quote;(Its not possible for us or Vanessa Williams to just be “black’ )

Well who are you or anyone to tell Vanessa what she can call herself. She says she a black woman. Just like you want the right to be called mixed, We call ourselves black. Just like I told an African on here once, I don’t need or want anybody’s permission

Quote( I think society should respect we multi racial people more)

You want society to respect your right to be called mixed, but you don’t want give the same respect to a person who want to called black

Also that mestizo is on the avg also part black, you keep leaving that part out

cwm85 September 14, 2015 at 9:16 pm

Yo dsdu’re an idiot fuzzybear44. Complete bias ass who has a problem with anyone identifying as mixed even if we are mixed. You have a problem with like me who are multiraical and acknowledge it. Well tough tits! My dad is white and native and I am proud of that along with my African-American mom. I’m multiethnic, multi racial. Am proud. Bye.

fuzzybear44 September 14, 2015 at 11:08 pm

@cwm

quote(Yo dsdu’re)

Wow, I made you so nervous you can’t even spell right.

Quote(Complete bias ass who has a problem with anyone identifying as mixed even if we are mixed. )

You’re one who is proven to be a hypocrite. you’re on Zoe Saldana,alicia keys etc. pages moaning about embracing all that you are, however when it comes to Carol Channing or troian bellisario who are proven to be at least 15-25 % black, you ignore that and say they’re just basically white.

Quote(You have a problem with like me who are multiraical and acknowledge it. Well tough tits! My dad is white and native and I am proud of that along with my African-American mom. I’m multiethnic, multi racial. Am proud.)

I could care less about what you or anyone else wants to ID themselves as. You can be proud all you want, you can’t find a comment where I said you shouldn’t be

fuzzybear44 September 14, 2015 at 11:37 pm

correction-You’re the one

midori29 September 13, 2015 at 7:45 am

@Bowdown Bitches, she is 60% African black in majority

midori29 September 14, 2015 at 7:52 pm

Why do people just look at skin tone? Vanessa’s blood brother is dark skin black so would you say theyre not related? Darker blacks can be just as mixed as the lighter blacks.
Link to her family
http://www.arogundade.com/Resources/family-vanessa-w.jpeg

cwm85 July 20, 2015 at 4:21 pm

She definitely fits the term Multiracial… Parts of Africa and Europe.

midori29 September 14, 2015 at 7:56 pm

Most black Americans would have the same ancestry, black Carribeans even more stuff.

Boog May 21, 2015 at 6:50 am

“Ethnicity: African-American, along with some English, Welsh, possibly Native American”
what is that “some” or “possibly” If you not sure it’s no such imaginary things, either you are or either you not, plain and simple
African-American has West Africa countries
Native American has also many ethnic groups and nations

theropod April 1, 2015 at 7:28 am

Although she’s pretty but dat widow’s peak!!

Anyway I thought she was Anglo-Celtic mixed with Mestizo Mexican.

Never knew about her African ancestry…

passingtime85 April 23, 2015 at 6:50 am

“Never knew about her African ancestry…”

Is that an April fools day joke? She was ushered into fame by being the first African American Miss America, it’s even listed in the profile.

ashleymw1981 July 21, 2015 at 2:45 am

Lol are you for real

Betta Franka September 29, 2014 at 9:09 pm

The only mixed woman with two black parents.

LucarioCooper March 31, 2015 at 9:36 pm

This proves that the world ‘black’ is kind of out of balance. I still can’t believe people still follow the one drop rule. If you’re mixed than your mixed. Calling someone ‘black’ knowing it is one race, like America would say and still have white ancestry in them is heinous to the identity of one’s ethnicity.

Zatm81 July 15, 2015 at 4:23 pm

She’s Black with heavy admixture. She’d be mixed if one parent was white.

ashleymw1981 July 21, 2015 at 2:48 am

She is not mixed . Her white ancestors are from great great ancestors . FROM there everyone are black. I don’t understand where is issue with mixed people that are half black . I mean no one cares that Enrique Iglesias consider himself Hispanic but he is not he is mixed , No on cares that Carmen Diaz consider herself white but have Hispanic blood. I mean but when you have a black person that parent is of another race and they say they are black is a issue.

M July 15, 2015 at 5:25 pm

Her “black” parents are mixed.

daria January 8, 2014 at 10:40 pm

For Williams, her genome revealed this mixture: 23 percent Ghana; 17 percent British Isles; 15 percent Cameroon/Congo; 13 percent Finnish/Ural/Volga; 11 percent southern European; 7 percent Togo; 6 percent Benin; 5 percent Senegal; 4 percent Spain/Portugal.

LucarioCooper March 31, 2015 at 9:31 pm

She is what you would call a ‘mutt’. But I wouldn’t use such a term. I have Afro-Carribean and some Native American in me.

Her mixture is idiosyncratic to me.

gottlob February 13, 2013 at 10:41 am

“Williams appeared on the program, Who do you think you are? where she discovered that her great great grand-dad David Carli, was a mulatto man who avoided slavery and married a White woman.”

Perfect Native-African-White Princess.

NewYorkMan February 26, 2013 at 11:25 pm

I don’t know how accurate these DNA tests are, but according to this article, her results were claimed to indicate her having slightly dominant African ancestry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/17/vanessa-williams-ancestry-mail-order-dna-test_n_2698112.html?utm_hp_ref=black-voices

andrew January 29, 2013 at 7:57 pm

super milf

KEMET November 13, 2012 at 8:34 pm

OMG SHE SO PRETTY

Daisuke November 7, 2012 at 3:41 pm

She is what she says she is

Multiethnicchick April 1, 2014 at 9:12 pm

yea, if she says she’s racially 100% asian then I guess that make her 100% asian. You must support the foundation of lying.

Indiablack September 11, 2012 at 2:46 pm

Yes she is a beautiful mixed
Race black woman, she looks
Like a tan white woman to me,
But im mad that everybody claiming
Native american indian,blood,not true
Having native american blood is rare
,everybody dont have native american blood

Thats a fac people say it so much, we
Need proof to back up their claim,anyway
I like vanessa because shes nice,and
Talented singer and actress,i love
Her in diva attitude roles like
Ugly betty,desperate housewives and
She has another new show,i love
You vanessa keep doing you,

sashafierce564 July 13, 2012 at 11:23 pm

Very gorgeous black women :))) I looooove her love you venessa!!! Don’t you just love her!!

Multiethnicchick April 1, 2014 at 9:13 pm

mixed woman

ashleymw1981 July 21, 2015 at 2:49 am

BLACK WOMan she is black .

sashafierce564 July 13, 2012 at 11:15 pm

She gorgeous soooo Pretty a Beauty queen a pretty African American :))))

levangelista36 July 6, 2012 at 12:57 am

She’s pretty.

NewYorkMan June 16, 2012 at 4:09 am

In her own words, it is her African heritage she identifies with:

“My dad was a huge history buff, and the problem that we have as African Americans is we don’t have the luxury of having the records from our home country, or going to the town that our grandparents are from, or to the local churches where our parents were buried and married, like a lot of English and Italian and Irish people do. Because of being enslaved and being born without records, a lot of our ancestry is a mystery. We don’t know where we come from in Africa a lot of the time… Everyone assumes this long lineage of slavery, and of course that exists because we were brought from Africa and we know that.”

http://www.bvnewswire.com/2011/01/31/20-questions-with-desperate-housewives-star-vanessa-williams/

levangelista36 July 6, 2012 at 12:58 am

I understand what she is saying, and I admire her for being honest.

me April 17, 2012 at 8:24 am
Anya April 17, 2012 at 1:20 pm

That is very interesting. Her GG Grandfathers were handsome. I can see where she gets her good looks.

mids April 16, 2012 at 4:49 pm

oh please the woman is obviously mixed, are you people blind. Do you know what someone of full on subsaharn black African descent looks like? Try Alex Wek, idiots

me May 21, 2012 at 9:49 am

Not always, as has some Irish people who looks mixed, has black people who look mixed also as this woman, she look have arabic in her, but in fact her parents are black
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WXiexno2udI/TzGesX0jJPI/AAAAAAAAOQQ/G0jyoIQRirU/s400/camila_pitanga.jpg
she with her father and brother
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Na4CPVnGtCk/SMqT0rY8XEI/AAAAAAAABWM/gJSf3p_izF8/s400/1PITANGA.jpg

me June 20, 2012 at 3:32 pm

I wrote the comment so quickly that it was confused, I meant that there is other black people that look mixed, such as Vanessa Williams and I showed a Brazilian woman who looks *Arab, but is black. I think not all black people look like Alek Wek

Multiethnicchick April 1, 2014 at 9:15 pm

of course they don’t. But full black Africans look no where near like Vanessa Williams

lmfao April 10, 2012 at 9:26 am

She is African American. IF you know anything about what African Americans have been through in America, you would not be calling her anything else. Both her parents are black…

ha April 10, 2012 at 11:58 am

notice that they thumbs down, yet, they can’t come up with an argument.

Bluehen April 18, 2012 at 5:08 pm

Native Americans have been thru more for a longer period of tim and if you knew anything about American History, you would know the the “One Drop Rule” that pertains to black blood is a term that was adopted by white men under the Racial Integrity Act of 1924. You sound like an idot, you should be more worried about her status as a woman. There has never been equality between men and women, and depending on who our new president may be, there never will. Praise her not for her ethnicity, but as a great female who has accomplished great things.

megan April 10, 2012 at 6:16 am

she is sopretty she is a beautiful black women

Multiethnicchick April 1, 2014 at 9:15 pm

even though she’s mixed

Mena April 5, 2012 at 1:19 pm

Definetely mixed race.. African American, Welsh, and Native American descent.. she looks a lot like her brother.. both good looking!

sadie March 26, 2012 at 10:36 pm

She wears color contact lenses. Why do both her parents have dark brown eyes? Her brother also has blue eyes come on people! Brown eyes are dominant!!!

lmfao April 10, 2012 at 9:22 am

obviously her parents carry the recessive genes….

Christian March 23, 2012 at 3:05 pm

stupid site

only african american ??

she looks european or europide with her bone structure and her blue eyes

no naturally african has blue eyes or thi face

pole April 1, 2012 at 5:20 am

CHRISTIAN – YOU ARE RETARDED


GO LOOK AT HER PARENTS BOT OF THEM ARE BLACK

SHE IS BLACK


EVERYONE CAN HAVE BLUE EYES

multigrl July 5, 2012 at 1:17 am

She probably has mixed races parents. Duh. I’m black but also multi-racial. You know why I”m multi-racial, because my mom is black/white/indeginous american and my dad is black and asian. That is the way it works.

Here is also how it works. Due to the history of this country you had to pick what race you were and there was no upfront acknowledgement of race mixing for a long time.

I have a friend who has a mix-race black mom and white dad. She looks white. She finally asked me if I considered her black and I told her if people ask me I’d say she was white because her skin is white and she has hazel eyes. She was fine with that but is also proud of an loves her mom.

My mom doesn’t care to be called black or African American. Based on her background and look she was labeled as colored. I get it and don’t care if that is what she prefers.

Black people need to stop running around making such an issue about what constitutes a black person OK. Stop going around harassing other black people about their hair. Stop asking stupid questions when you see other black people with multiple skin tones and hair types in one family. You already know what it is about OK. We also know what you are about when you ask stupid questions as well.

Multiethnicchick April 1, 2014 at 9:16 pm

no blue eyes is a trait in caucasian and very rare in negroids unless it’s a genetic mutation. Her parents don’t look black. Clearly, you don’t know what a black person looks like. Look up Negroid/Congoloid and get educated

pole April 1, 2012 at 5:21 am

european omg

last time

i check

european didnt have african skin

lopac March 9, 2012 at 1:44 am

“african american”. she’s mix

I love you, Roger Scientist March 8, 2012 at 10:35 pm

Vanessa is gorgeous. I always thought she was a great beauty.

Alice February 18, 2012 at 9:30 am

Reading some of the comments from people saying that Vanessa sees herself as a black woman and she is entitled to do so. This site though is about ethnicity so all her racial background should be listed. People might see themselves as French but have Spanish ancestry. You can identify with what you wish but your ancestry should still be listed on an ethnicity site. The facts people NOT how you self identify. Vanessa has obvious European ancestry and to state this is not denying her the right to call herself black.

storm January 28, 2012 at 10:54 pm

she is afro-american woman. leave her alone

TooPrettyNdPaid January 14, 2012 at 10:37 pm

Sheee Seem more white for me then black

BRAZIL March 16, 2012 at 6:29 am

NO

THIS IS AFRICAN SKIN

NOT WHITE SKIN

Roger Is My Lover March 16, 2012 at 6:35 am

When is Ethnic going to block you for spamming his site every day?

jamal April 1, 2012 at 5:31 am

ROGER IS MY LOVER


shut up

PLEASE

EVERYBODY SPAMS YOUR COMMENT

BECAUSE YOU ARE EVERYWHERE

AND ALL YOU WRITE IS GARBAGE

Roger Is My Lover March 16, 2012 at 6:41 am

I doubt you are from Brazil.

john January 2, 2012 at 7:59 am

you can tell vanessa has dutch in her background by looking at her

lyli December 26, 2011 at 8:22 am

Mixed looks different always. Look at Halle Berry, she’s half white but yet Vanessa Williams looks more mixed than her. Just because you look a certain way doesn’t mean your more a or less. We as Americans need to not be so judgmental about race. Honestly mixed people should be called creole, no one talks too much about it cause most people don’t know about it. French in black, spanish and black and also indian. Look it up on the internet.

Jose Lomba April 1, 2012 at 7:17 am

@lyli- how do you know that Halle is more mixed than Vanessa?

multigrl July 5, 2012 at 1:22 am

I’m really glad you mentioned Halle Berry. My mother and sister are lighter than Halle yet Halle has a white mom. Scientist have no idea how color works in our DNA. Just because someone is ‘dark’ does not mean they are 100% black. Just because someone looks 100% Asian doesn’t mean they are.

People need to get beyond all this pecking order baloney and learn to embrace people rather than tearing them down.

There is beauty in all races, appreciate it. There are more important things to worry about like child molestation, starvation and horrible illnesses like cancer.

levangelista36 July 6, 2012 at 12:59 am

You are very kind, and I agree with everything you say.

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