Al Pacino

by ethnic on December 29, 2007

Birth Name: Alfredo James Pacino

Place of Birth: Manhattan, New York City, New York, U.S.

Date of Birth: April 25, 1940

Ethnicity: Italian [Sicilian, some Neapolitan]

Al Pacino is an American actor, screenwriter, and filmmaker. He won the Academy Award for Best Actor for Scent of a Woman (1992). He is considered one of the best and most influential actors of all time.

He was born in Manhattan, to Rose (Gerardi) and Salvatore Alfred Pacino, who were of Italian descent.

He has said:

In America most everybody who’s Italian is half Italian. Except me. I’m all Italian. I’m mostly Sicilian, and I have a little bit of Neapolitan in me. You get your full dose with me.

Al has a daughter with his former partner, acting coach Jan Tarrant, and two children with his former partner, actress and singer Beverly D’Angelo.

A picture of Al’s father can be seen here.

Al’s patrilineal ancestry can be traced back to his five times great-grandfather, Marco Pacino.

Al’s paternal grandfather was Alfio Pacino (the son of Benedetto Pacino and Maria Teresa Drago). Alfio was born in San Fratello, Province of Messina, Sicily, Italy. Benedetto was the son of Alfio Pacino and Felicia Carbonetto. Maria Teresa was the daughter of Pietro Drago and Benedetta Manera.

Al’s paternal grandmother was Giuseppa “Giuseppina/Josephine” Latteri (the daughter of Salvatore Latteri and Carmela Bosco). Giuseppa was born in San Fratello, Province of Messina, Sicily, Italy.

Al’s maternal grandfather was James Giacomo Gerardi. James was born in New York, to Italian parents.

Al’s maternal grandmother was Katherine. Katherine was born in New York, to Italian parents.

Sources: Genealogy of Al Pacino – http://www.geni.com

Birth record of Al’s paternal grandfather, Alfio Pacino – https://familysearch.org

U.S. Naturalization record of Al’s paternal grandfather, Alfio Pacino – https://familysearch.org

Birth record of Al’s paternal grandmother, Giuseppa “Giuseppina/Josephine” Latteri – https://familysearch.org

Al’s mother on the 1920 U.S. Census – https://familysearch.org

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andrew September 19, 2016 at 4:49 pm

* Al’s paternal grandparents were both born in San Fratello, Province of Messina, Sicily, Italy.

neiltennant June 27, 2016 at 5:06 am

he has green eyes? on older movies even seen on HD he had brown eyes

andrew June 27, 2016 at 6:39 am
andrew March 20, 2016 at 7:03 pm
slowdive February 5, 2016 at 10:43 pm

He looked very Italian in Scarface.

neiltennant June 27, 2016 at 5:05 am

totally agree

but the older he got he got more non-italian

M August 5, 2015 at 11:02 pm

What the f*ck is going on with his skin this picture? He was actually a fine man back in the day, he’s looking like shit now…

Capricious October 11, 2015 at 6:49 am

I came here just to say this.

He is over-tanning himself. It looks hideous. Makes him look 10 years older.

He probably wants to have a nice brown colour, but obviously it will just never happen. He’s the type who’d have a bright reddish tan…

ectag February 18, 2016 at 2:47 pm

He’s 75 years old. He looks a lot younger.

ectag February 18, 2016 at 2:54 pm

He’s 75 going on 76.

As far as looks go, he’s really never been a particularly good looking guy. He’s extremely short for one thing (much shorter than he appears in fims), and has a very grating raspy voice. Many women thought he was attractive in the first 2 Godfather movies, which is when he was likely at his peak in terms of looks. But his looks went downhill almost immediately after that and simultaneously his voice started getting raspy.

He does look a lot younger than his age (75) he’s just not very attractive.

Manila June 5, 2015 at 5:01 am

According to the latest revision of his family tree, his patrilineal ancestor can be traced back to his fifth great-grandfather Marco Pacino.

andrew June 5, 2015 at 6:01 am

Do you have the link? his maternal grandparents are said to be from Corleone, Palermo, Sicily.

Manila June 5, 2015 at 6:18 am
andrew June 5, 2015 at 3:37 pm

it’s interesting that his first traceable ancestor was born in Troina, Province of Enna, but his grandfather was born in a different Sicilian town, San Fratello, Province of Messina.

undashing April 30, 2015 at 7:07 pm

Boy, he aged badly. He was very handsome in Godfather.

ethnic May 1, 2015 at 8:47 pm

a wild life as a hollywood actor?

Manila March 24, 2015 at 1:54 am

CORRECTION: Josephine Giuseppina -> Giuseppa “Giuseppina/Josephine” Latteri (the daughter of Salvatore Latteri and Carmela Bosco)

Thanks to her birth record ( https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-25996-4907-72?cc=1946858&wc=M6MS-GWG:244497101,244936901 ) as well as her husband’s petition for naturalization ( https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-34696-692-43?cc=2060123&wc=M5P1-GP8:351852201 )!

Manila March 20, 2015 at 1:51 am

I have found the birth record for Alfio “Alfred’ Pacino. He was the son of Benedetto Pacino and Maria Teresa Drago.

Alfio’s birth record: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-25996-23727-87?cc=1946858&wc=M6M9-LTL:244497101,244810401

follers March 20, 2015 at 11:52 pm

Thnak you.

WTF June 26, 2014 at 6:33 am

wtf happened to his skin? lookin like an aged leather purse

the punisher November 20, 2013 at 10:55 pm

Dude looks hella burn

none April 27, 2013 at 10:42 pm

There is no diffference between Sicilian and Italians, like it or not, Sicilians are Italians and history shows they were the first Italians since the Italian peninsula was settled from South to North. No one makes a distinction if a person is German or Bavarian why should they pick on Sicilians? answer: discrimination

COOLGUY2012 November 20, 2013 at 5:14 pm

Italy is mostly italic and celtic, being formed from the north to south. Sicilians are part italic, but mostly with greek and north african influence, as many places especially in the south.

Frances December 8, 2013 at 10:37 pm

Ya,no… Get your facts straight before feeling the need to spread ignorant info. There is no discernible or significant north african blood in any of Italy’s regions. People from the south are more tan, because it’s hotter, and they’ve been there for generations. People are less tan up north, because it’s colder…. It’s very simple. Humans adapt over generations to the environment.

Capricious April 2, 2015 at 6:24 am

I agree.

It’s ignorant and even racist to presume that, because a person is dark and scruffy they have (recent) sub-saharan African admixture.

FYI, you can always be a pure blood Mediterranean person without any NORDIC or AFRICAN mixing!

sadie March 24, 2012 at 1:40 am

He is in the caucasian group read your history books. Only three major races in the world, caucazoid, mongoloid, and negroid.

LOPAC AGREES March 14, 2012 at 6:42 pm

AL PACINO IS NOT WHITE. HE’S ITALIAN.

italianprincess November 27, 2012 at 1:25 pm

You are seriously an idiot for saying that. Italians are white people. I am full Italian, family from Naples. Italians are considered white people. Please educate yourself before posting a comment like that.

nnnnn March 1, 2013 at 9:06 am

He’s a good man, his life is without scandals (almost the
only in Hollywood). He looks like an alcoholic here, who
took a punch in the eye. But he’s not

Dan November 26, 2013 at 8:58 pm

LOPAC AGREES March 14, 2012 at 6:42 pm
AL PACINO IS NOT WHITE. HE’S ITALIAN.

This is what happens when the uneducated, undesirables, get “da intanets.” You start to see moronic comments like this. Thanks, Obozo.

WTF June 26, 2014 at 6:32 am

lmfao since when are italians considered non-white?

Jordan February 27, 2015 at 8:19 am

Wait what? He looks 100% white

Sonny October 26, 2011 at 2:14 am
Jack October 24, 2011 at 11:09 pm

Fomorians were black people in Ireland most Irish look white but are mixed with these blacks. We all come from two people on earth.
All ireland has black blood. Some have black looking hair.

Alice March 20, 2012 at 8:08 pm

Fomorians are part of Irish myth. They are about as factual as your comment.

Alice March 20, 2012 at 8:23 pm

Fomorians were said to have the body of a man and the head of a goat according to an 11th century text in Lebor na hUidre (the Book of the Dun Cow), or to have had one eye, one arm and one leg.
Where Jack gets black people from this is the real mystery.
Getting back to facts if Irish had black ancestry it would show up in genetic studies. This genetic map shows that the Irish cluster with British, Dutch and other North Europeans.
http://bigthink.com/ideas/21358

Marta Paglianni September 28, 2011 at 11:24 pm

Here read who is really white in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people

Al September 11, 2011 at 7:52 pm

I can’t believe the ignorance I’m hearing. The Moors were not black but were Caucasian Arabs/Berbers from North Africa. The fact is that many of them were only slightly darker than the larger Greco-Roman population in Sicily that they conquered (or in Spain’s case, the much larger native Spanish population).

In addition, the Moors did not alter the genetic landscape of Sicily or Spain that much at all. Sicilians are mostly descended from Ancient/Byzantine Greek and mainland Italian ancestry, and in addition to a little Moorish ancestry, there’s also Norman, French, Spanish, and some other bloodlines added into the mostly Greco-Roman bloodline of Sicily.

While we’re at it, just look at Al Pacino himself. He’s very light-skinned, with dark hair/eyes, and with classic Southern European facial features. That’s really the standard Sicilian right there. You get some who are darker and some who are lighter, but he’s quite normal and is obviously white.

@Ena: Your aunt is either not actually Italian or she’s a racist northern Italian talking out of her butt. The truth is that the northern Italians look like the French/Central Europeans and the southerners tend to either have the classic Roman look or, in the case of many Sicilians, Calabrians, and Apulians (all areas heavily colonized by Greeks), a very Greek look. The differences are there but they’re not so pronounced that you have a bunch of blond Germanic-looking people in the north and very dark Arab-looking people in the south.

know it all December 2, 2011 at 2:36 am

The word moor is deprived from the word moreno which means dark or black you idiot the moors were so-called black people and so was hannibal a blackman do some fuckin research

J March 20, 2012 at 7:19 pm

It means Arab/Berber and your name is quite a contradiction.

levangelista36 June 19, 2012 at 12:29 am

Italians were always Mediterranean in appearance. What do people think they looked like in ancient times? Certainly not like a Swede.

Dan November 26, 2013 at 9:03 pm

You are correct, sir. Berbers were a combination of Spanish/French. Just in case the unintelligent folk are reading (or attempting to) this.

Oh yea, “know it all”, you’re a complete moron, by the way. It’s YOU who needs to do some “fuckin” research, dipshit.

d August 20, 2011 at 10:50 pm

Sicily was invaded by the moores so now many sicilians have African ancestors

cole March 23, 2012 at 8:13 am

ITS TRUE SICILIANS HAVE AFRICAN ANCESTOR

Angel August 5, 2011 at 9:40 am

Ummm Sicilian and Italian are the same thing! Sicily is in Italy!

Delnegro August 5, 2011 at 2:18 pm

No shyt bitch

WTF June 26, 2014 at 6:34 am

lmfao!!

ena July 8, 2011 at 1:50 am

I am from europe , in europe moors , berbers are not white but they are africans and they are treated like that .In spain when i was a child i was told that that pure moors were black skin the ones who colonised spain were black skin moors only in america they are white why? because you can’t believe that backs were civilized? and created civilization? every one is white in americ mexicans were consider white in 1940 too .My aunt who is northern italian with red hair , fair skin and blue eyes who is married to my uncle told me when i was a child that people from sicily were mixed with african and she said that is why they are darker then northern italians .In italians don’t consider people from sicily italians they think they are north africans even pizza was created in sicily and in italy is consider ethnic food.Nothern italians hate southern italians because they are mixed my italian aunt told me.

Fuzzybear July 8, 2011 at 4:21 am

To Ena

They knew,they just don’t teach it.They didn’t stop calling black people moors until later,when they change it to Negro.Moors were here,as slaves and as free black men.They even pass laws to protect them here in the states from white people;they were to be seen as white people with the same rights.

Jess July 21, 2011 at 12:37 am

Moors were not black but Arabic. In fact, their facial features were far different from what black facial features resemble. They weren’t here as slaves. Historically, they were Muslims who migrated from Northern Africa (what is now Libya, Tunisia, etc) to Spain, Portugal, France, and Italy.

Marta Paglianni September 28, 2011 at 11:22 pm

YOu are so dumb. Moors didn colonized Spain. Only some part in the south. And never mixed with the white Spaniards. Spaniards are mostly light skin, brown hair and green eyes. Very tall too. think of PAu Gasol but not as tall LOL

Marta Paglianni September 28, 2011 at 11:23 pm

Most berbers are actually white!!

David September 28, 2011 at 11:31 pm

“nothern italians hate southern italians because they are mixed ” so much ignorance in this comment , the most mixed people from italy , are the one from the north , that is why many of them look so different than the rest of italy .
The true italian are caucasian mediterranean race , most of them have dark hair , and brow eyes ,and skin from very light to very brown .People from north italy was mixed whit the savage barbarian from Germany and other country of north europe and also whit some celtic blood.
In scily , Moors that are also caucasian , have only a 10 % of black , so if a sicilian woman married a moor , the child will be only 05% black , still very caucasian to me ,95% caucasian mediterranean

Jack October 23, 2011 at 10:39 pm

Northern Italians have arab in them. Romans put over 1 or two million people to do there work. The german tribes mixed with them there nose are different from germans and are mixed. They have the same dna as the south but have
blond pigments and red so has sicily have the same in towns. alot of germans and northen peoples are mixed with yellew people and are from bushman. Any way we all come from Africa from two people the first man was black and white and spotted.Food weather temperture changed man. We all come from the same place it is called progression. Chinese are black and Japanese they mixed with black and they are blacker in the phillipines and are there now. They come from bushman have slant eyes like chinese and Japanese. Whites have round eyes. Lookup genetic drift. A jewish person told me we all come from the same place. This is not to do with bible but two people made the human race we are all 1000 cousins down the line.
Face facts Northern Italians you are not german but mixed blood from many places on earth.

Rob June 11, 2012 at 9:45 am

Italians have Roman noses. A lot of English people do too because they are mixed with Roman as well.

Dan November 26, 2013 at 9:06 pm

Exactly. Almost everyone in Europe possesses some Roman/Italian genes, as Romans ruled over most of Europe during their reign.

JLuciano June 12, 2012 at 12:02 am

@ena- Here is some advice for you…Some people hate/dislike what they envy. That is what I tell any Northern Italian that starts ignorant talk with me. Seems that they are always the ones who try to prove points to us Sicilians when no one asked or even care about their “opinions”. Point is, WHO CARES! I am very proud of my ethnicity and heritage. Oi…the internet is a crazy place to find how stupid people in this world really are. Loosing hope for humanity everyday…lol!

Dan December 7, 2013 at 2:58 am

lol…I couldn’t agree more.

andrea June 17, 2011 at 7:10 am

americans must realize sicilians aren’t differenr from others Italians!

rafael June 8, 2011 at 11:10 am

you people are incredible,so nobody on earth is black,has anyone noticed how many italians have afros? yet they still arent black this is so ridiculous so i guess denzel washington isnt black either what shall we call him black irish or olive skinned irish i know how much the word black offends everyone lets just pretend that no one is black would that feel less threatening hannibal was black!!!! or was that just a tan

Marta Paglianni September 28, 2011 at 11:27 pm

Black Irish has nothing to do with race. It means a white person with dark hair. Mostly from spanish blood when they try to conquer the UK and it failed during the Invincible Armada. Many Spanish survivors fled to Ireland, since it was a also a catholic nation, and stayed there instead of returning to Spain and getting kill by their king for failing. Irish women felt in love with the tall, white and dark haired spaniards. Most Spanish folks got green eyes, and light brown hair.

Anon November 25, 2010 at 1:24 pm

I’m so sick of seeing these arguements everytime the subject is on Sicily, ok first of all people if you want to bring “Moors” into this, get your facts straight! they were not black.

http://racialreality.110mb.com/phoen_moors.html

Lets get another thing straight, North Africans were not black either

http://racialreality.110mb.com/north_africans.html

The ancient urbanized mediterranean world has nothing to do blacks , like you can see in the genetic map below where it shows that the haplogroups ExE3b and RxR1, specifical of blacks, are almost absent in northern africa. At the opposite the haplogroup E3b, very common in north-africans is found in great % only in those “black” populations in eastern africa and central saharan africa that show visible caucasoid features (like ethiopians).

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/4397/mappahaplogruppiyys5.png

And also Sicilians? if you don’t know what you are and if you’re uneducated in the matter please don’t go around spreading crap like you know what you’re on about, thats really low.

black wallstreet aka fuzzybear November 29, 2010 at 9:05 am

To Anon

Here’s my questions for you,were you there when they did the testing?I don’t think you were,so you have no idea who they tested.Also it basing bloodwork on people now,not in the time in question,which was how long ago?Also did you know about the white slavery up there?Which was a fact that at least 1.25 million white people were brought as slaves,most which were women.These women were used as sex slaves,who the moors had their way with,one sultan was said to have had 800 children in his lifetime.Also the moors had mixed blood children in Spain and other places.Those children who would not convert were kick out,and they went to North Africa.At least 5million people in North Africa are related to them.Now with all that mixed blood running around up there,you don’t think the dna and physical appearance would change?Also you said low sub-saharan,well if no new sources of that blood type are coming in,it’s normal for the levels of that bloodtype to go down.On top of that,basing a new generation on maybe every 20yrs,were looking at about 120 to 150yrs.In this time frame,whole populations can change.Do you agree that could happen?

Black wallstreet aka fuzzybear November 29, 2010 at 7:44 pm

To Anon:One other thing,the site you provide doesn’t list which Ethiopians group it’s referring to,because there are over 80different ones.All have similar blood types,but the vast majority are not Caucasian.Plus the fact that Ethiopians all through history have been described as what’s called black features.Also what about all the sub-Saharan black people who are unmixed,and yet have Caucasian phenotypes.Then what about all the African Americans here who have Caucasian phenotypes,are they now white people.Because the vast majority of my family have a Caucasian phenotype,and the rest have mixed phenotypes,so were not black people anymore.Like I said,it seems (and I mean this with no offense)It seem white people are making the rules up as they go along.I say this because,no matter where a white person is from,he’s seen as white.Whereas it seems to be a different rules for us black people.Also it seems to be that old divide and conquer trick

Michelle January 14, 2011 at 9:55 am

You always have to bring up Italians not being Caucasian when they really are. Try…I don’t know, olive caucasian…maybe not white (like Irish, Germans or Nordic people) but nonetheless they’re Mediterranean which is still classified as Caucasian. Scientists DID do the testing but why would the date matter?

fuzzybear January 15, 2011 at 4:58 am

To Michelle

No offense,but it seems your people are reading something that I’m not writing.Now with this statement here,(Italians not being Caucasian).Now as hard as I try,I can’t seem to find where I’m supposed to have made that statement.As a matter of fact,I can say with full confidence that I never made that statement.Now when you say Caucasian ,I can only assume you mean white.I( NEVER SAID) Italians were not white.What I said was Caucasian doesn’t mean your white.I said Caucasian could be any color(white people to black people and every color in between).I also stated that the definition for the word Caucasian has been change 4 times.That the new Definition doesn’t even say white anymore,it now says(very light to brown).This was done to include new groups of people,no matter what color they are.Now I know I sound preachy,but once again Caucasian is simply a phenotype(a facial bone structure)any color can and do have it

Dan November 26, 2013 at 9:19 pm

“Also it basing bloodwork on people now,not in the time in question,which was how long ago?”

Are you serious with this??? I mean, I know the public school systems are horrible, and your grammar proves this, but …wow! It’s called “science”, dipshit. It’s called “DNA.” It’s clear evidence. Oh wait, we’re all supposed to believe a moron calling himself “black wallstreet aka fuzzybear” over scientists, right??? By your logic, of course we are. I already know what ethnicity you are. Also genes don’t “change.” You really need to stop basing your views off of MTV and pop culture. Moors are not black. They were mixed Berber (Spanish/French) and Arab. I can only laugh. This is what happens when the uneducated folk get “da intanets.”

Gurlluv November 25, 2010 at 7:07 am

Geez, why are black people so obsessed with Italians/Sicilians? stop trying to break their race down. They’re white caucasian end of disscussion what is the issue here? they look too good to be white or something? Hell people should be attacking France far more than Italy last i heard France has the most black people in Europe and they also have the most biracial famous people in Europe such as Neomie Lenoire.

black wallstreet aka fuzzybear November 25, 2010 at 7:39 am

To giulluv

First no offense,but I’m not really concern about Italians,they were only brought for have second,and someone got upset and started this.Also yes they are white people,I never said they weren’t.However I do say any color came be caucasian.

Aaron November 24, 2010 at 11:23 am

I’m black and even i say black wallstreet is being uterrly stupid.

black wallstreet aka Fuzzybear November 29, 2010 at 3:46 am

To Aaron

If I’m wrong prove it

anonymous November 24, 2010 at 5:41 am

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Anonymous July 15, 2010 at 10:43 pm

Eh…. Forget about it!

jmb April 3, 2010 at 8:40 am

@ Joe the sicilian:
if you’re trying to imply that Sicilians aren’t white, they are. The North African Arabs who went through Sicily were Caucasian.

Supernaut July 6, 2010 at 3:07 pm

all north africans are mixed even through ancient times. north africans and the people from the horn of africa (ethiopia,somalia) have caucoid features (nose and head) that doesn’t make them “white”. sicillians are what americans would call white people…but many have arab,greek, and some would say negroid features (nose and head). Rome ruled the world at that time for centuries and imported slaves of kinds thru there empire. Everyone is mixed one way or another…example, although the berbers have european blood there is a small but significant sub saharan element in them also.

?? August 9, 2010 at 8:56 pm

There is no sub-saharan element in them. The reason they’re dark is because they get more sunlight. Trust me, in the winter time they’re probably on the fair/light side. And historically, northern Africa was predominantly Caucasian.

lol March 3, 2010 at 3:26 pm

@ D:
Maybe you should learn what you’re talking about before you comment. Half Sicilian pretty much explained everything.

Half-Sicilian March 1, 2010 at 12:05 pm

Sicilians are Italians but have many distinct cultural traits and influences from other nations besides Italy, hence the fact that many other Italians ane even Sicilians themselves see themselves as different. The bloodlines are also somewhat different on average. Many Sicilians have Greek, Arab, Norman, Spanish, French, and even Albanian ancestry in addition to mainland Italian. @Joe: The North African Arab influence, while there, is actually overstated by many. In fact, the Greek influence is much stronger. Old Al is actually really typical for a Sicilian, and I wouldn’t say he looks that Arab.

Anonymous November 24, 2010 at 9:50 am

This is true, Sicilians are more Greek than the rest of Italy, Greeks conquered that part of italy, they intermarried with Estrucans and the other ancient italic people there. Sicilians look more Greek than anything.

edward February 13, 2010 at 10:20 am

Sicilians have dark features because at one point Black people {Moors} ruled over southern italy

shelly November 16, 2010 at 12:04 am

Moors were Arabs, not Black people.

black wallstreet aka Fuzzybear November 16, 2010 at 1:55 am

To Shelly

Moors were black,long before Arabized blacks came into the area

shelly November 16, 2010 at 8:16 pm

No they weren’t, moron. They were Caucasian. Deal with it. Stop looking for a fight you can’t win. I’m sure historians, anthropologists, and authors would also (GREATLY) disagree with you.

black wallstreet aka Fuzzybear November 17, 2010 at 6:02 am

To Shelly

Again with the Insults,and again you don’t know what Caucasian means(look it up and ask does it mean white or Phenotype).

Anyhow when the Romans entered West Africa in 46 B.C., they saw Africans and called them Maures, from the Greek adjective Mauros, meaning dark or black(they wouldn’t have called a white person that). It is from Mauros and the Latin term Marues that the word Moor is derived. Since the inhabitants of North Africa were black, the Romans and later the Europeans called them Moors.Those North Africans has a Caucasian Phenotype which was inherited from back migration into Africa.They were there for thousands of years before the Arabs came.Btw the Arabs that came through swing their swords were nicknamed (Allah’s black ravens),take a wild guess why they were called that.Arabs armies were full with black slave soldiers(Ethiopians usually)at first.Anywhere from 30,000 to 250,000 black Soldiers

Here some history for you

Ubada b. as-Samit,a black Leader who commanded 1000 black troops,who during the conquest of Egypt,a fact which did not go unnoticed by the Byzantine enemy:

When ‘Ubada got on the ship to speak with the Muqawqas,”Ubada approached him,and Muqawas felt dread of his blackness

He yell remove this black from my presence and bring me someone else to speak with me

(the Muslims)answered together
“He is the best of us,the most learned,and the wisest.He is our leader(sayyid).He is the most virtuous,and the most admired.We all pay attention to he says and to his views etc.

(The Muqawqas)asked,”How do you feel about this black being the best among you when he should be the most debased?”

They answered:”By no means!Even if he is black,he is the best of us in rank,intelligence,and in wisdom.Blackness is not something we reject.”

All his men were blacker than he was

I did that just to show you that the armies they had were usually full with Black soldiers
The royal army that was created in 1088 by the Almoravid ruler Yusuf ibn Tashfin was called the Black Guard,guess why.Even the Poem called the (Song of Roland )tells you what the army was that attack Spain was.Now when your army is said to be (as black as ink and the only thing white about them was their teeth),they were black

Here’s a berber pirate(North African):
http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/riffan-pirates.jpg
does he look black?
Saint maurice a moor:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/a/a7/20070217140413!Saint_Maurice_Magdeburg.jpg
Everytime in the past,they talked about a moor,it usually was a black person.It wasn’t until later that they would split up the moors by calling black moors,black-a-moors(this is after slavery started).Also at this time is when moor for which northwest to west African people were called,was changed to (Negro).Have to cut this short to much to type

black wallstreet November 24, 2010 at 9:18 am

To anon

Whomever you are,your most likely a white person who can’t handle the truth.I can’t help it that I’m smarter than you are

black wallstreet November 24, 2010 at 9:22 am

To gale

It’s seems you another uneducated white person who can’t handle the truth

Dio November 25, 2010 at 7:00 am

Moors were arab, Hannibal was also not “black”. Moors should not even be in this discussion Moors practicaly had no influence on modern Italian genetics. Hell the Greeks had more lasting influence on southern italian genetics than the moors did, Various DNA test were done all throughout Italy and they are more related to Greeks, Portguese, Spaniards and all other mediterranean and european people.

The Moors had Blacks and other arabs in there army but they are not black, stop trying to afrocentritize history. Futhermore do you realize how long ago it was since the Moors showed up? and how much Italy has been invaded since they fell?

You and Edward are idiots and then you get mad when people talk down to you for being an idiot. I find it funny how you get upset when people generalize black people as “being the same” but you’re such a hypocrite because you do the same shit to Sicilians.

Here is a Sicilian, he’s pale as shit and has blue eyes.

http://static.blogo.it/blogdolcevita/sexy-italian-man-raoul-bova/Raoul_Bova_01.jpg

black wallstreet aka fuzzybear November 25, 2010 at 8:31 am

First they were called moors long before arab was put into the mix,Also hannibal was half black.They even had a new documentary about him stating this.This has nothing to do with Afrocent this or that,this has to do with straight history.Everytime time a moorish person was talked about in history he/she was always black.The only time they change it was now,but if you need proof I will bring it.Now again,you have have it in your head that was the only time black people were in italy,they were all over europe.It was a two way street,the same way europeans were in africa,Africans were in europe,and have always been there.Now again,I didn’t say sicilians were white people,can you please show where I said that?I said they have African heritage that all,your the one who took it to another level.however I did say you can look completely white and yet still be half black.Also even thou it rare black africans can have blue eyes,I’ll show that to if you want

andrea June 17, 2011 at 7:07 am

he’s half calabrian born in Rome. Italian sex symbol

Sven February 6, 2010 at 8:48 am

Sicilians are dark because of the effects of their climate not because they are part “North African”, is the world reverting back to early 20th Century race theories?

Incidentally some will be part North African, Norman, Frankish, Greek and what not, but Europeans are quite mixed.

SCSASF January 22, 2010 at 9:01 am

Sicilians are sicilians not Italians and will never be Italians.

Johnny T January 18, 2010 at 3:04 pm

His mother is from Corleone, Sicily

D December 14, 2009 at 6:18 pm

You all need to figure out what you are talking about before you comment.

ethnic November 24, 2009 at 4:17 pm

I heard the vikings once invaded Sicily and there are still some Sicilians with blonde hair.

Joe the Sicilian November 24, 2009 at 4:02 pm

Sicilians are mixed with North African Arabs, hence the darker features. Be proud Al.

ethnic October 5, 2009 at 12:25 am

Jmb, thats true Sicilians are Italians. but I think they like to consider themselves Sicilians before Italians.

http://getaway.ninemsn.com.au/fseurope/italy/17000/sicily

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jmb October 4, 2009 at 8:19 am

I thought Italian and Sicilian were the same thing…?

Tim November 23, 2010 at 4:43 pm

They are the same thing, Sicilians are probably just more “Greek” than northern Italians since greece conquered the whole southern part of italy and builded the communities there. They are however still Italians. The only difference between them is because of what history done to them, history seperated them and because of this people see them differently they however are not. Its all cultural, North has always been rich, South has been poor.

Also lots of Sicilians see it as an insult to call them “not italian”. Sicily is apart of Italy making them Italian, its nothing similiar to the situation with Macedonia & the rest of Greece. Macedonia is full of Slavs, however sicily is still full of Italians. With anyone it’ll be half and half, not all sicilians think they’re italian, but a lot also see it as an insult to say they’re not Italian since people usualy say it to put them down and call them “Black”.

Saying sicilians have black heritage is also wrong, people throw around this percentage stuff without knowing how genetics work the supposed african in them is hidden meaning it does not have a effect on them. You can pretty much find hidden african genes in all Europeans, it does not make them black though. Compare an actualy “Mulatto” to someone “Sicilian” looks nothing alike.

Sicilians ultimately look mediterranean like the rest, the darker features maybe because well, Greeks had influence on them and Greeks are the darkest mediterraneans in Europe not to mention sicily is at the most southern tip of italy ITS HOTTER. Skin naturaly tans in hotter climates.

black wallstreet aka Fuzzybear November 24, 2010 at 12:26 am

To Tim

So according to you Sicilians see it as an insult to be called black,well at least your honest about that,I mean heaven forbid them being seen as inferior.Now unfortunately I am black,and therefore incapable of understanding something so complex as DNA(at least that what I’m getting from your statement).I mean for me to think my little( black) brain could comprehend something so amazing,what was I thinking .However for you to sit there and say traits are hidden,is to assume all black people look alike in your eyes(which we don’t).Also traits that you don’t recognize,you dismiss as being black.Now I have repeatedly made the statement that having black heritage,doesn’t make you a black person so on this we agree.However it obvious you’ve never met a completely white looking Mulattoes have you;I have.So for you to say no “Mulatto” could look like a “Sicilian” is being naive,you wouldn’t know if the person was mulatto or not.Look at this young lady here Stefani:
http://ethniquiz.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/8912/001.jpg
She’s Italian could you tell she’s 25% black,I did

Also skin doesn’t just naturally tan in hotter climates,if that was the case Irish people would burn.Hell even I burn in the sun,and I’m black

Dio November 24, 2010 at 5:35 am

You’re clueless, no you don’t understand genetics. No according to me SOME sicilians see it as an insult don’t put words in my mouth.

Skin does naturaly get darker who the hell has been teaching you? And yes i have met white looking “Mullatoes” but Mullatoes NEVER really look white that maybe because if you DID understand genetics you’d know that the black gene is almost always dominate. Mullatoes never look really white and you can always tell they’re mixed.

You being black does not matter, you still get darker in the sun light, learn something for a change and come back. Until then don’t speak to me as if you know something about genetics, you do not.

black wallstreet November 24, 2010 at 9:47 am

To Dio

painfully obvious I’m smarter than you,I’ve proven you wrong,and you can’t handle it.Also you never met a white look one before,because if you had you wouldn’t know they were mulatto,so stop lying.Also the statement you made about the black gene,it obvious you know nothing about genetics

black wallstreet aka Fuzzybear November 25, 2010 at 1:23 am

To Dio

Let clear this part up, What I meant by the ( skin doesn’t just naturally tan in hotter climates)is if it’s not in your DNA makeup,you burn.Which is why I said the Irish tend to do so,which is why they were named the (RED LEGS) in Barbados

black wallstreet aka Fuzzybear November 25, 2010 at 4:48 am

To DIo and Gale

Now you can get piss with me if you want to,but he says he one of you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8BrfmGrkzo

black wallstreet aka Fuzzybear November 25, 2010 at 5:36 am

Oh btw,the person saying he was black wallstreet this morning wasn’t me,I’m the real one

Dio November 25, 2010 at 6:47 am

Hahaha they were right YOU ARE a religious nut job the first thing you post is a video of a dude who’s heavily religious and deluded what are you gonna post next? the guy who claimed Romans were black because the bible? LOL!

And no, don’t be an idiot, if a black person had a “Caucasian” bone structure, they wouldn’t be black now would they? i don’t want to believe you’re this stupid and i hope so bad that you aren’t American because i’d be embarassed. Furthermore what does posting a video of someone who claims they are mixed have to do with anything? One person being mixed doesn’t make the whole group mixed are you seriously this stupid? Pick with people in your own ethnic identity before you start thinking you know shit about anyone elses.

Thank you.

black wallstreet aka fuzzybear November 25, 2010 at 8:06 am

To dio

i posts him because I thought you would get a kick at what he had to,however he was correct.Also for the record,there were many black romans.For Some reason,I think you got it in your head black people stayed in Africa,until white people took them out.Now if you have proof to say otherwise please show it.The fact that you know very little about black people is obvious.Because for you to say there are no black caucasians,now that’s dumdest thing I ever heard.I will posts pics of black caucasians for you to see later.Btw I am an American,An I’m the who is shocked at how little you know about history.Now you asks why I bring up someone who says he’s mixed and looks white.The thing is I actually forgot he was mixed,but I’m going to show just how a mixed black person can look completely white,and contary to what you believe,you would never be able to tell,but it will have to wait until after thanksgive

shelly November 17, 2010 at 7:15 am

Second one says the file was not found. Anyways, I know what Caucasian means and it doesn’t mean just white. But don’t talk to me like I’m an idiot. I know history well, and I know that Sicilians are indeed Caucasian.

black wallstreet November 17, 2010 at 8:37 am

To Shelly

First that was you with the name calling,and the only reason I didn’t return the favor is because I don’t like doing that with girls,except my sister.Next yes Sicilians are white people,no one said they weren’t except for other white people.However as I have shown,caucasian doesn’t mean your white.Also saying you have black heritage,(IS NOT)calling you black.All that means is that with the European avg of 3-8%,that at least one of your recent ancestors 125-150yrs ago was black,that’s all.It’s nothing to get all upset about,it (DOESN’T)stop you from being a white person.My white heritage is recent,and I’m not crying about it.Anyhow if the picture of saint maurice doesn’t work,just google him

black wallstreet November 17, 2010 at 8:40 am

mean to say you having recent black heritage is not calling you black

Gale November 24, 2010 at 5:40 am

you have got to be the biggest fucking idiot i have ever seen. you just happen to be black, not surprising afterall its only the Black-Americans who believe such bullshit about sicialians because they’re an uneducated lot.

black wallstreet aka Fuzzybear November 25, 2010 at 4:13 am

To Gale

First off apparently there was someone taking my user name yesterday morning,and saying whatever they felt like.however this is the real one,an I would like to know what I said about Sicilians that has you so upset,except that I called them white?Now you say because I’m black that I believe that about Sicilians,well I can turn it around and say the same about you,that the only reason you disagree is because your white.See how that works?

Anonymous November 24, 2010 at 9:41 am

I am black & native American but you are making us black folk look retarded with your assements. Espeacialy when you commented on skin tone i don’t think you are aware of what skine tone types there are or about genetics. I however chose not to be an ignorant black woman and educate myself newsflash! everyone on earth has African halbogroup markers somewhere in their gene point hence making you sound ridiculous bringing up the african hablogroups found in Sicilians. There is no point in you even bringing up the hablogroups if they are not black! People long ago traveled to europe, they evolved, they then went back to asia and africa and evolved again (These are the present arabs, arabs are the Caucasians who left europe) and then they once again went back to europe and evolved again. Do all Europeans have black hablogroups? yes they do, are Europeans black? no they aren’t, most Europeans also have asian Hablogroups, are they asian? now they aren’t. Why bring this into the discussion?

I saw you claim blacks can’t get dark you’re so wrong there there are different skin tones.

Type I – The palest of them all, they almost sunburn everytime in the sun, this would apply to Scandinavians and most northern European coutries.

Type II – White skin, usually burns with sun exposure, still prone to tanning (fair; often in people with red or blond hair and blue, green, or hazel eyes)

Type III – White or olive skin tone, sometime burns with sun exposure, still prone to tanning (fair; seen in people with any hair or eye color)

Type IV – Brown skin, rarely burns with sun exposure, still prone to tanning(common in people of Mediterranean descent) This would include Italians, Sicilians and all other mediterraneans.

Type V – Dark brown skin, very rarely burns with sun exposure (common in people of Middle-Eastern descent)

Type VI – Black skin, never burns with sun exposure, but is still prone to tanning.

Don’t spew bullshit! seriously how do you think africans got dark in the first place? do you know a thing about evolution? they are that dark because they needed to be to survive. A real dark skin person could not survive in a Scandinavian/Cold country just like a super pale person could never survive in a extremely hot african climate. learn something for a changge.

Anonymous November 24, 2010 at 9:43 am

Correction. Italians & Sicilians would be in the “Type III” category, excuse the mistake.

black wallstreet November 24, 2010 at 9:56 am

To anon

yet another one,first pick a name.Next I don’t think your black so stop lying.Please stop it ,this is some stupid person talking nonsense.I could pick you apart,but why waste my time.Black people can’t live in cold,where did you get such a stupid idea from

Anonymous November 24, 2010 at 10:02 am

And to further debunk the relevance of the african hablogroups.

Here is the Skull shape of all Mediterraneans, this includes Italians, Sicilians, Greeks, even some arabs such as the Lebanese who are caucasian.

http://www.wendag.com/images/titans/medskull.JPG

What a full face of the Mediterranean skull shape looks like with flesh

http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/andrea-corr/andrea-corr-20070425-245578.jpg

Its what the Romans skull shape looked like and its what present mediterraneans skull shape looks like, smaller in form from the nordic one but completely the same.

Skull shape of the nordics, Scandinavians etc etc

http://www.wendag.com/images/titans/nordskull.JPG

Its longer than that of mediterraneans, mediterraneans have always been smaller in form than the nordics.

Negroid skull shape

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/gl-negrid-sk.jpg

http://scienceblogs.com/afarensis/upload/2006/06/K%209.jpg

Notice its wider and the the back of the skull is long, Nordics & Mediterranean back of the skull is small and short in form.

The verdict? Both mediterranean skull shapes are the same, Meds have smaller sjull shapes but are still as thin in form to the Nordic skull which is why they have and always will be counted within one of the Caucasian subraces. When you see a mediterranean with a Negroid skull shape then and only then can you call them black, other than that don’t bring up some hidden hablogroup shit that EVERY european has, that shit counts for absolutely nothing at present it only tells where everyone on the planet came from originaly and nothing more.

Anonymous November 24, 2010 at 10:12 am

lmao this black wallstreet idiot knows nothing about evolution does he? i’m thinking that other person who called him religious was right. Its funny so many people called you out and yet you still act like you’re right and “know the world”.

Let me enlighten you

In hot climates, the light-skinned people get skin cancer and die without sufficient nutrition. Eventually, the majority of the population is dark-skinned.

In cold climates, dark-skinned people get Vitamin D deficiancies and die without the right nutrition. Eventually, the majority of the population is light-colored.

Pick up a book on evolution sometime and then maybe you won’t sound so stupid. This is why i’m putting my kids in private school i cant have this ignorance in my house, hellz naw.

black wallstreet aka Fuzzybear November 25, 2010 at 2:25 am

To ANon

Ok you stated your black and native.for the record,I do about Ploygenic.Now you say the Arabs come from Europe,(and then they once again went back to europe and evolved again)could you please show where you got this information from?Also if you read what I wrote,you will see I say repeatedly having black heritage does not make you a black person,which it seems you skip over.Another thing,please show me where I said This( you claim blacks can’t get dark)because I don’t remember typing it.Also for the record all skin is brown,not black or white.Now you wrong about (A real dark skin person could not survive in a Scandinavian/Cold country),that’s just silly

black wallstreet aka Fuzzybear November 25, 2010 at 3:06 am

To Anon

Now I assuming this other Anon person is you also.Now you put skulls up here,and say because it’s from the Mediterranean it’s automatically white,and that all black people skulls are what is called(Negroid).So what your saying is that black people don’t come in Caucasian Phenotypes or bone structure,that only white people do,is that correct? So let me get this straight,your saying unless you have a (Negroid) bone structure your not a black person,is that what your saying?Do you have any other evidence to back up what your saying?

Dio November 25, 2010 at 11:39 am

No he was not, Hannibal was Phoenician do you have any idea who the Phoenicians were? Just like i suspected you are clearly an afroncentrist moron and there is no further reason to continue arguing with you since you have no idea of who was what.

Phoenicians were not black, Phoenicians inhabited what is now modern day Lebanon, Syria, Lebanese people are NOT BLACK Lebanese people going by bone structure are most definately Caucasian.

But nevermind that! if you wish to argue people use factual evidence don’t use some bullshit youtube video of an “AMERICAN” “Sicilian” who claims to be part black, honestly how did it make sense in your head to use him? Thats like me pulling out the singer Mya Harrison and calling Italians half black because Mya Harrison is biracial Mya’s mixture occured HERE IN AMERICA, not in Sicily, just like the dude in the video you posted, his mother or one of his parents were most likely black there is no link to him and Sicily.

black wallstreet aka Fuzzybear November 29, 2010 at 2:51 am

To Dio

I’m having problems posting,so I will give it to ETHNIC to see if he can do it for me

black wallstreet aka Fuzzybear November 29, 2010 at 3:07 am

To Dio

Sorry it took so long,was busy with the holidays.Ok you said I’m Afrocentric,but your using a word you don’t understand.See unlike Eurocentric like yourself,Afrocentrism will give credit to other ethnicity,unlike Eurocentrics.For example,James Beckwourth(African American):
Oh and check his Phenotype,you’ll see it’s Caucasian.Anyhow Famous man,yet completely left out of school history books on purpose.He’s famous for being Chief of the Crow Nation,a frontiersman,and the Beckwourth Trail,which as you can see is named after him.it was used as a much safer route to lead People to California.He’s as famous as Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone with a town and park and the trail named after him,but unlike them,he’s left out of history books.Another example,Jean-baptiste-Point Du Sable:
This man founded Chicago,but didn’t get any credit for almost 200yrs.There many more.So contrary to what you believe,Afrocentrism lets you know,That white people didn’t do all this Sh*t by themselves.So if you want to call me that,All I said is thank you.
Ok back to the Question Phoenicians,I know all about these guys,and you mention Persians,you know they were like the Egyptians with putting themselves on walls.Here the Persian immortals:
http://www.virginiawestern.edu/faculty/vwhansd/his111/Images/Persian_Immortals.jpg
You know these don’t look like white people to me,they are Caucasian but not white.Your basing your views on people who are there now.Populations change,but you can’t seem to see that.You keep using the word Caucasian,let go through the history of that word.You know it been change four time since 1937,and each time it has new people are added to it.North Africa didn’t get added until 1992,and in the latest version it no longer says white people,it now say (very light to brown people).This tells me that white people make up the rules as they go along(No OFFENSE to White People).
NoN White Caucasians:
Stacey Dash,Tami-Adrian George,Phi Morris
So like I said,Caucasian doesn’t mean your white,it is simply a Phenotype any color can be it.
Now Hannibal,why you brought him up I don’t know,however since you basically called me a liar.Here’s the documentary I was telling you about that aired on the history channel.It shows Hannibal father as a black man (4:17 in) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxVKD_YTs2A
You don’t like it argue with them.
Now back to moors,here one more video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYEuMTPtqxU&feature=related
I used the video,because picture after picture,statue and statue shows the same thing,that the original moors were black:

The moors that attack Spain were 7000 strong.300 arabs,and not going to debate what color they,but the 6700 soldiers were black Ethiopians,that’s a written fact.The (Song of Roland),about when they attack France says the were ask black as ink,and the only thing white about them was they teeth.They were called Moors back in 46 B.C long before the Arabs came to north Africa.On top of that the Arabs that came through were called Allah Black Ravens for a reason,They were black.Then on top of that,But here’s something I almost forgot,(The Moor Sundry Act of 1790):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors_Sundry_Act_of_1790
Now reading this,if Moors were white like you say,why would this law be needed.It says they are to be recognized as white(MEANING THEY”RE NOT WHITE).Moors were not to be subjected to laws governing Blacks and slaves.Now why would they even be in the same sentence as free blacks(there were actually many free blacks here) and slaves,if they were white?Now what you don’t know is that Moors took over from the Arabs and ruled(The Almoravides and Almonads Dynasties)all black.Mansa Musa(king of Kings)was moor.Now were they whitish Moors,Yes:
Alessandro de Medici:
Velazquez,Diego Rodriguez de Silva y Juan de Pareja:

.But that because Moors had well over a million white slaves,mostly women who they had children with.Then when half blood Moriscos were kicked out of Spain,most went to North Africa,and had a whole lot of babies.And over time,the population looks like it is now(MIXED)
I’m getting tried

Now Hannibal,why you brought him up I don’t know,however since you basically called me a liar.Here’s the documentary I was telling you about that aired on the history channel.It shows Hannibal father as a black man (4:17 in) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxVKD_YTs2A
You don’t like it argue with them.
Now back to moors,here one more video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYEuMTPtqxU&feature=related
I used the video,because picture after picture,statue and statue shows the same thing,that the original moors were black:
The moors that attack Spain were 7000 strong.300 arabs,and not going to debate what color they,but the 6700 soldiers were black Ethiopians,that’s a written fact.The (Song of Roland),about when they attack France says the were ask black as ink,and the only thing white about them was they teeth.They were called Moors back in 46 B.C long before the Arabs came to north Africa.On top of that the Arabs that came through were called Allah Black Ravens for a reason,They were black.Then on top of that,But here’s something I almost forgot,(The Moor Sundry Act of 1790):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors_Sundry_Act_of_1790
Now reading this,if Moors were white like you say,why would this law be needed.It says they are to be recognized as white(MEANING THEY”RE NOT WHITE).Moors were not to be subjected to laws governing Blacks and slaves.Now why would they even be in the same sentence as free blacks(there were actually many free blacks here) and slaves,if they were white?Now what you don’t know is that Moors took over from the Arabs and ruled(The Almoravides and Almonads Dynasties)all black.Mansa Musa(king of Kings)was moor.Now were they whitish Moors,Yes:
Alessandro de Medici:
Velazquez,Diego Rodriguez de Silva y Juan de Pareja:
.But that because Moors had well over a million white slaves,mostly women who they had children with.Then when half blood Moriscos were kicked out of Spain,most went to North Africa,and had a whole lot of babies.And over time,the population looks like it is now(MIXED)
I’m getting tried.

Phoenician April 7, 2011 at 1:13 am

THANK YOU… I am a Lebanese American. And guess what? Al Pacino looks Lebanese. That’s not arab. It’s PHOENICIAN, who have almost the same DNA as greeks and sicilians. Did anyone know that Sicily was first inhabited by Phoenicians? Yeah, Phoenicians also inhabited what is now known as Greece with other peoples. We are all the same pretty much. Sicilians look the way they do ATLEAST PARTIALLY because of Phoenician influence. I challenge any sicilian who does not believe me to get a DNA test.

black wallstreet aka Fuzzybear December 1, 2010 at 4:18 am

To dio

just curious,are you a woman?

black wallstreet aka Fuzzybear November 29, 2010 at 3:44 am

It double copied,sorry about that

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