by ethnic on December 28, 2007

Birth Name: Robyn Rihanna Fenty

Place of Birth: Saint Michael, Barbados

Date of Birth: February 20, 1988

*African-Barbadian (paternal grandfather)
*Scottish, English, Irish (paternal grandmother)
*African-Guyanese (mother)

Rihanna is a Barbadian singer, songwriter, rapper, dancer, record producer, and actress. She is the daughter of Ronald Fenty, who is from Barbados, and Monica (Brathwaite), who is from Guyana.

Rihanna’s paternal grandfather was Afro-Barbadian. Rihanna’s paternal grandmother, who is caucasian, has Scottish, English, and Irish ancestry. Rihanna’s mother is of Afro-Guyanese descent.

In an interview with Allure magazine, Rihanna stated that she was bullied in school and called ‘white’ by the other kids while growing up in Barbados.

Rihanna’s paternal grandfather was Reginald Leslie Forde (the son of Helen Forde). Helen was the daughter of Joe Forde.

Rihanna’s paternal grandmother is Elizabeth “Betty” Fenty (the daughter of Stanley Fitzherbert Fenty and Hilda Olga Coppin). Elizabeth is white. Her parents were both born in Barbados. The surname “Fenty” is usually Scottish and the surname “Coppin” is usually English. Rihanna’s grandmother is also cited as having Irish ancestry. Elizabeth is from a family of “Red Legs”, descendants of slaves from the British Isles who were sent to Barbados.

On her mother’s side, Rihanna is the granddaughter of Lionel Brathwaite and Clara “Dolly” Viola Venetta Johnson.

Sources: Genealogy of Rihanna – https://www.geni.com

Death record of Rihanna’s paternal great-grandparents, Stanley Fitzherbert Fenty and Hilda Olga Coppin – http://www.findagrave.com

Obituary of Rihanna’s maternal grandmother, Clara Viola Venetta (Johnson) Brathwaite – http://downesandwilson.com

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neiltennant July 24, 2017 at 12:37 am


of course she is pretty and beautiful

she can wear an onion bag and can look hot

A user March 24, 2017 at 7:29 am

Someone’s hating.

Lady March 9, 2017 at 3:03 pm

You must be gorgeous then.

Lady May 19, 2017 at 12:07 pm

Well, that’s why I said “You must be gorgeous then”. Where did I said that you weren’t allowed to say that, as you suggested?

andrew December 29, 2016 at 3:55 am
me March 27, 2016 at 6:23 pm

She doesn’t look mixed at all.She is just a black girl.I don’t know why white people are trying to whiten her.

flo March 27, 2016 at 6:54 pm

No one is trying to whiten her. Her father is mixed. That’s just stating a fact.

Greyface March 27, 2016 at 8:24 pm

wrong! I always wondered why she was so pretty for a black girl, and now I know it’s because she’s 25% white!!!

flo January 7, 2017 at 8:39 pm

Except Rihanna looks like her mother (who is not mixed). Sorry, you can’t credit her beauty with being a quarter white lol

Samiiraa June 16, 2017 at 9:09 am

She is more than 25% White. The average black American has 20% European ancestry and she doesn’t look like the average black American. Her father is probably 60% Euro and her mother has probably European dna too and maybe some Native also. Rihanna is a mulatto, that’s just a fact, she doesn’t look black, she looks mixed and she identify as mixed.

neiltennant November 22, 2017 at 2:06 am

Yes but the green eyes scream MIXED

of course she looks mixed

midori29 December 6, 2017 at 7:09 am

@Samiiraa you need to learn what BLACK Africans look like . You can have green , grey or blue eyes and be 100% black African check these pics below
This was posted in an article:
“There are also different types of albinism which feature different eye and hair colors including brown, green or blue eyes and red, brown or blond hair and some forms of albinism even allow the person enough melanin to tan… sound familiar? These aren’t “European features”, they’re inbred African features.”

Multiethnicchick September 5, 2016 at 1:18 pm

yes she does. Go to Africa where black africans are without any admixture. She would stick out because she’s mixed and looks mixed. that’s why black kids at her school called her white.

midori29 April 8, 2017 at 3:15 pm

Rhianna is exaggerating here. There are much much lighter black people living in Barbados than Rhianna. Plus there are actual WHITE barbdians. Rhianna would NOT stick out. Everyone would think she was a regular black girl in Barbados. She just tries to male herself more exotic with that. Rhianna does not even have curly or straight hair. Its just kinky plus she had a nose job.

Samiiraa December 29, 2016 at 1:50 am

At all ? Haha I am mixed and has the same complexion and she has green eyes. She looks definitely mixed. She is probably not 25% European but more since Black Barbadians and Guyanese have also European dna. She is probably 35% or even 40% white.

flo January 7, 2017 at 8:18 pm

Have you seen Rihanna’s mother? She is not mixed whatsoever.

neiltennant December 6, 2017 at 9:25 am

her maternal grandfather is also mixed

midori29 April 8, 2017 at 3:18 pm

Samirra please stop being stereotypical and stupid. Black people do not have to be mixed to be light skinned with greene eyes. And they certainly dont have to be 40 percent white. Supermodel Tyra Banks did a dna test and she is lighter than Rhianna with green eyes nd ONlY tested 14 percent white.

fuzzybear44 April 8, 2017 at 11:10 pm
midori29 February 14, 2016 at 6:24 am
BigMama February 14, 2016 at 2:34 pm

Her mother, Monica Braithwaite, is a retired accountant of Afro-Guyanese background, and her father, Ronald Fenty, is a warehouse supervisor of Barbadian and Irish descent. Rihanna has two brothers, Rorrey and Rajad Fenty, and two half-sisters and a half-brother from her father’s side, each born to different mothers from his previous relationships.

Speaking to Allure in 2008, RiRi revealed that she was bullied at school because some of her fellow pupils thought she was too “white”. She said that she was cursed by her so-called friends, but had managed to overcome the bullies to become one of the biggest pop stars in the world. She said: “I didn’t understand. I just knew I saw people of all different shades and I was light. Now I’m in a much bigger world.”
Read more at http://www.capitalfm.com/photos/famous-people-celebrities-bullying/rihanna/#gJxXcLfpDQ30VALD.99

midori29 February 14, 2016 at 6:23 am
BigMama February 14, 2016 at 2:35 pm

Her mother, Monica Braithwaite, is a retired accountant of Afro-Guyanese background, and her father, Ronald Fenty, is a warehouse supervisor of Barbadian and Irish descent. Rihanna has two brothers, Rorrey and Rajad Fenty, and two half-sisters and a half-brother from her father’s side, each born to different mothers from his previous relationships.

Speaking to Allure in 2008, RiRi revealed that she was bullied at school because some of her fellow pupils thought she was too “white”. She said that she was cursed by her so-called friends, but had managed to overcome the bullies to become one of the biggest pop stars in the world. She said: “I didn’t understand. I just knew I saw people of all different shades and I was light. Now I’m in a much bigger world.”
Read more at http://www.capitalfm.com/photos/famous-people-celebrities-bullying/rihanna/#gJxXcLfpDQ30VALD.99

midori29 February 28, 2016 at 10:12 am

@Big mama do not believe that bullied at school nonsense, that hard to beliveve. My grandfathers relatives came from Barbados and YES there are light skinned blacks in Barbados alot lighter than Rhianna.

abbracci October 8, 2015 at 1:22 am

She thinks she’s so special. Barbados is a country with no civilization, culture or history. Rihanna is a trashy overrated hoe.

xoxo November 26, 2015 at 12:59 am

SALTY JEALOUS BITCH! I bet Rihanna looks a million times better than your busted ass. LMFAO you’re so pathetic logging on this site and bashing people who don’t even give a flying fuck about your opinions. They don’t even know you exist and yet here you are calling celebrities “ugly” and “hoes”. Get a life, asshat.

midori29 July 29, 2015 at 10:57 am

Skin bleaching black celebrities , Nicki Minaj did it too and she tries to overmix herself as well.

Kimmel June 5, 2016 at 4:41 am

Feel sorry for those featured in that article. But with Rhianna, it seems possible her skin changes with the seasons.

cwm85 July 27, 2015 at 5:40 pm

Typo Rihanna.

midori29 July 27, 2015 at 3:43 pm

Basically its true these days, female music stars are making more money being know as “exotic” so there is money to be made in making people think that you are a black mixed female. I am telling you the worldwide success of Halle Berry started this stuff. being just black is not interesting enough for the general public. It used to be with Janet Jackson and Dianna Ross, Tina Turner, even Vanessa Williams never played up her admixtures. She is making money on what is popular and racist people want to know, because 100% and beauty does not go together .

cwm85 July 27, 2015 at 5:38 pm

Rihan thagna is not just black. Her grandmother was white. Why should she say she is all african descent when she isn’t? Unless you are 100 percent of African ethnicity then you aren’t 100 percent African. She is multiracial like a lot of people. Like Halle Berry even though Halle Berry identifies as just black… I think, tho that is biologically impossible.

midori29 July 29, 2015 at 5:00 am

@cwm, a good number of black people in the Americas have white grandmothers. And all blacks are multicultural. Im not saying Rhianna should deny her white grandmother. But what I am saying is that she portrays herself as alot more mixed than she really is. Its not like one of her parents is totally white. She is mostly African. And Rhianna considers herself black but she tries to look more mixed with fake hair caucasian texture and skin bleach. Which is evident.

midori29 July 29, 2015 at 5:52 am

Grace Geely from the show Empire is a light skinned black girl from the Cayman islands in the Carribean and she does not try to overly mix herself up like Beyonce, Kerri Washington or Rhianna who are also of Carribean descent. Grace just says she is a light skinned black girl. Rhianna and Beyonce display self hate and they are bad for black women.
Grace Geeley below Cayman Islands star of Empire on Fox tv. Link

BigMama February 14, 2016 at 2:28 pm

She was bullied for being mixed race…. And you are here sayin she’s black…. Ridiculous.

midori29 February 28, 2016 at 10:10 am

@Big mama, I seriously doubt Rhianna was bullied as she says, she may be playing that up. There are alot of lighter skinned black people in Barbados, I have visited there, I am Carribean and I have some relatives from Barbados. Rhianna is not that light, especially when you have half black people who look like Mariah Carey all over the Carribean who many consider themselves black. Rhianna plays to American people who do not travel, she can basically say anything and fake the foolishness.

BigMama February 14, 2016 at 2:36 pm

Her mother, Monica Braithwaite, is a retired accountant of Afro-Guyanese background, and her father, Ronald Fenty, is a warehouse supervisor of Barbadian and Irish descent. Rihanna has two brothers, Rorrey and Rajad Fenty, and two half-sisters and a half-brother from her father’s side, each born to different mothers from his previous relationships.

Speaking to Allure in 2008, RiRi revealed that she was bullied at school because some of her fellow pupils thought she was too “white”. She said that she was cursed by her so-called friends, but had managed to overcome the bullies to become one of the biggest pop stars in the world. She said: “I didn’t understand. I just knew I saw people of all different shades and I was light. Now I’m in a much bigger world.”
Read more at http://www.capitalfm.com/photos/famous-people-celebrities-bullying/rihanna/#gJxXcLfpDQ30VALD.99

midori29 February 28, 2016 at 10:26 am

@Bigmama, Rhianna will do or say anything for fame and money. I have seen her in real life, up close before her skin bleach and fame, she is only a medium toned dark caramel brown color naturally. Not very light at all. That story sells records, and makes her seem much more exotic. She is overwhelmingly West African, kinky bushy hair and green eyes. Google some young pics of her.

Man in NY July 2, 2016 at 11:03 am

“Not very light at all. That story sells records, and makes her seem much more exotic. She is overwhelmingly West African, kinky bushy hair and green eyes.”

She could be naturally light-skinned, but with a tan in those photos. Other than that, I don’t disagree with you.

andrew July 24, 2015 at 1:41 pm

His maternal grandfather Lionel Brathwaite looks like he has recent European admixture


midori29 July 24, 2015 at 12:50 pm
fuzzybear44 July 24, 2015 at 2:37 pm


Is it true that she said people made fun of her, and called her white girl? Because I don’t. See it

andrew July 24, 2015 at 3:43 pm

you know kids can be rude, I heard similar stuff from Bob Marley.

midori29 July 27, 2015 at 3:37 pm

There are a good number of much lighter blacks in the Carribean than Rhianna and Bob Marley. Compared to Jamaican Colin Powell they are actually medium complected. I dont think Bob or Rhianna would be highly teased based upon appearences. Bob may have been only teased when they discovered his dad was white, otherwise you cannot even tell. Bob Marley looks East African Ethiopian and there are much lighter Jamaicans than him.

andrew July 27, 2015 at 4:47 pm

maybe the White Jamaicans are lighter than Bob Marley, actually I alwais thought he looked different from the other Wailers members even before I read he was a mulatto.

midori29 July 29, 2015 at 5:44 am

@Andrew considering there are blacks in Jamaica, Barbados and the entire Carribean islands who look like Kaci below,Rhianna would be a regular black Carribean girl


California July 24, 2015 at 5:35 pm

Probably had to with jealousy and colorism. Lighter skinned girls with blue or green eyes get hated on by darker girls with brown eyes. Rihanna’s natural hair texture is considered “good hair” in the Black community. The other girls probably had tighter curls. Anyway before someone gets offended, I just want to state that not all Black people are like this, but a lot are.

midori29 July 29, 2015 at 5:11 am

@California Rhianna does not have good hair at all, she has regular Afro textured hair and she wears fake caucasian hair weaves like Beyonce.

midori29 July 29, 2015 at 5:13 am

@California, i dont follow good and bad hair. I have curly hair but i think afro hair is pretty

midori29 July 27, 2015 at 3:34 pm

@Fuzzybear, I dont see it either, thats for people who are not familiar with Barbados or the black Carribean. And she was even darker when she was little. I have traveled to Barbados and have relatives from Barbados and I am Guyanese like Rhianna. Rhianna acts as if she is the only light skinned black girl from Barbados puhleaseee, they have much lighter brighter and straight hair blacks living in Barbados. She is only trying to make naive people think she is sooo exotic and rare, which is not the case. Some of moms friends were part Chinese, Indian, American Indian and Portuguese mixed with mostly African and still are recognized and known as black. basically if you look like you have African dna people know you are Black. And there are Mariah Carey looking black mixed peoples in Barbados and Guyana. I think her and Beyonce have contrived this exotic image.

midori29 July 23, 2015 at 8:42 am

Honestly, its sadly annoying how BLACk celebrities get makeup , skin bleach and hair weaves then convince the non-black public that they are soo mixed when they are not. Beyonce does the same thing with fake white hair. I recently read an article on her that says Rhianna lets her curls down for the summer, are some non-black people so stupid???? Cmonnn Rhianna , nor Beyonce have no curly white textured hair they have BLACK AFRO hair and they wear wigs and weaves, they are BLACK people.
See pics of Rhianna before the weave and skin bleach. Honestly if its working for her, and it is she is getting paid. I cannot be mad at her but its sending a BAD message to young black girls and Africans, etc.
I think the general public agrees that black is beautiful , especially when it relates to white, ie. Halle Berry so wordly popular, means people think BLACK is beatuiful, they just dont want to admitt. it. And the general public is too blind to see it.
Rhianna and her real hair and skin (the site says it was photshopped ), regardless, I have seen Rhianna in person and the hair and nose is fake.


andrew July 23, 2015 at 12:39 pm

why being so jealous, there are several leaked pics of a Rihanna (naked or not) where she shows the tan lines, I dont think she bleaches her skin.

midori29 July 24, 2015 at 11:58 am

@Andrew how stupid you are, Ive seen Rhianna in person with my own eyes when she first came out, YES she and Beyonce did bleach their skin. Nothing with jealous, I am telling the absolute truth. I give credit where credit is due, Halle Berry and Alicia keys are gorgeous actually mixed women who never bleached their skin and have real curly hair. Beyonce and Rhianna are wannabee fake weave wearers. I like Rhianna ALOT better than Beyonce though.

midori29 July 24, 2015 at 12:07 pm

@Andrew when Rhianna came out with her song Pon the Replay over 6 years ago, and I am from the Carribean, I saw her at a club in Washington, DC, I was 2 inches away from her, I swear and she was two shades darker than she is now. A golden brown . Not as light as she is now.

andrew July 24, 2015 at 1:09 pm


I hadn’t the opportunity to see Rihanna in person but she’s free to bleach or tan according to her personal tastes. She still looks like a mixed race person to me. I am not much into this bleaching stuff that I find controversial since most of white people like to tan.

midori29 July 24, 2015 at 12:21 pm

@ Andrew, bleaching skin reference links


Kenyan model says Rhianna used the same bleach as her

Jello April 29, 2015 at 4:25 pm

She is part white, but in the U.S. she is just black.

midori29 July 23, 2015 at 8:30 am

Plese, Rhianna is majority BLACK, her grandmother or great grandmother is white, thats it.

andrew July 24, 2015 at 3:36 pm
midori29 July 24, 2015 at 12:01 pm

Both Rhianna and Beyonce are so fake and they send a bad message to black women. But Rhianna is much much better than Beyonce. They have a crisis in West Africa with skin bleaching in part because of these women. Its so sad. Little black girls look up to them. Mariah Carey who is half black has genuine caucasian textured curly hair and uses no skin bleach. Most non-black people do not understand this and how it is harmful to young black women.

ihatemostpeople July 24, 2015 at 3:06 pm

MC’s dad is actually half Latino, that would make her a quarter black.

fuzzybear44 July 24, 2015 at 3:43 pm


That doesn’t. Mean he ‘s only a half black.Latin is just a cultural. Identity. He could be any kind of mixture, and going by the site, it States her father was Afro Cuban, which means he was most likely. Majority. Black. So you could probably. Up that African contribution

midori29 July 29, 2015 at 5:57 am

@ I hate most people Latino is NOT a race the half latino in Mariahs dad was African Venezuelan there are black people living in Venezuela you know amd Black latinos. Mariah is basically half black.

abbracci April 28, 2015 at 11:35 pm

She’s ugly with that big forehead. She thinks she’s Egyptian and Moroccan. A lot celebrities are basically Black & White. She’s just overrated because she’s a Black girl with green eyes and light skin. Rihanna is nothing special. She’s a Beyonce clone. Barbados is a unknown country.

Jello April 29, 2015 at 4:26 pm

She is very pretty. Nobody is perfect, there are plenty of good looking people that will always have something or other that is not that pretty, but it does not take away from their looks.

midori29 July 23, 2015 at 8:49 am

I like Rhianna better than Beyonce. Beyonce to me is the ultimate in annoying and a self hating black woman.

ihatemostpeople July 24, 2015 at 3:04 pm

Why do you accuse most of these black celebrities of self-hatred?

midori29 July 29, 2015 at 6:02 am

@I hate most people if these vlack celebrities are bleaching thier skin to be whiter and wearing fake caucasian hair weaves to be lighter skin. The YES that is self hatred. Both Beyonce and Rhianna are trying to appear more European and less African. Black women should NOT support that.

midori29 July 29, 2015 at 6:03 am

Meant to type “black celebrities”

midori29 July 29, 2015 at 5:59 am

Rhianna is not half white.

Capricious April 4, 2015 at 2:01 am

Overrated. Immensely overexposed. She is not a very good singer, even though her songs can be rather catchy.

Let’s face it, she’s popular because she is a light-skinned “black” woman with that mocha skin and hazel eyes.

Mafia888 March 10, 2015 at 6:02 am

Rihanna is so overrated and ratchet. She’s looks like a typical Black chick who’s part White. She’s not exotic at all. I saw so many girls who look like Rihanna. She has a nasty attitude and she copies everything Lady Gaga does.

Alice September 29, 2014 at 4:06 am

The child below has Waardenburg syndrome but has one brown eye and one blue. These people genetically would be brown eyed.


Alice September 29, 2014 at 4:16 am

Sorry about the link for some reason I’m unable to post links at the moment so tried copying but something when wrong.

Alice September 29, 2014 at 3:45 am

It’s not the same as having the blue eyed gene. Having Waardenburg syndrome causes problems with genes that are involved in the formation and development of several types of cells including pigment making cells called melanocytes. Melanocytes make pigment called melanin which contributes to darker skin, brown eyes and they also play a function in the normal development of the inner ear.

Waardenburg syndrome affects the normal development and formation of several types of genes including melanocytes. It’s not the same as inheriting blue eyes from a parent. It’s a side affect of Waardenburg that people don’t produce normal pigment.

Alice September 28, 2014 at 6:43 am
abbracci September 15, 2014 at 9:42 pm

She’s ugly. Nothing unique about her. She looks like a oridinary black girl who bleaches her skin and wears eye contacts.

angrygirl19 September 17, 2014 at 11:31 am

Those are her real eyes, dummy.

nina March 28, 2015 at 11:56 am

She doesn’t bleach her skin or wear contacts shut the fuck up if you don’t know anything

Samiiraa September 12, 2014 at 1:56 pm

Yeah… but she’s NOT black !

1 : her paternal grandmother is white

2 : yes, there is a lot of diversity in Africa but black people in the west indies and America are of west african descent and west african people are DARK-skinned with dark hair and dark eyes !!!

3 : mixed means mixed and NOT black.

fuzzybear44 September 15, 2014 at 10:37 pm


(but black people in the west indies and America are of west african descent)

Actually the black people on this side of the world,are from all parts of Africa(including the East and the North).Before slavery took off the way it did,North African Blacks were taken first.Next after a deal was made,they fixated on West Africans.However they still often grabbed north Africans also.Then they grabbed East Africans,and people from Madagascar.Everyone else came gradually on their own over the centuries.

(west african people are DARK-skinned with dark hair and dark eyes !!!)

First tell me what you mean by dark skin,I need an example.Next there just as many East Africans,who are every bit as dark as you think west Africans are

(mixed means mixed and NOT black.)

Tell me what makes you a black person?

tinasheeeee July 30, 2014 at 5:00 pm

She’s not bi-racial mixed, she’s tri-racial mixed.

fuzzybear44 July 31, 2014 at 3:44 am

(she’s tri-racial mixed)

How so?

tinasheeeee August 5, 2014 at 6:25 pm

If she has Bajan, Guyanese, & Irish (and more) in her, wouldn’t that mean she is?

Caribbeangirl September 27, 2014 at 4:55 am

Bajan and guyanese are Nationality !! im of guyanese descent she is half bajan half guyanese her her father is bajan and her mom is guyanese ! All her grandparents are Caribbean/West Indian !! lol

EatEricRoberts December 10, 2014 at 10:05 pm

You are on a webpage which explicitly states that her paternal grandmother was Irish, English, and Scottish and you’re trying to tell someone all her grandparents are Caribbean/West Indian? Are you for real?

person August 5, 2014 at 3:47 pm


she only has black and white ancestry so shes not tri-racial. that means three not two.

SEEXYPUREBLOODLATINA July 5, 2014 at 9:48 pm

I don’t like her or her music (cause shes a big ho-she boned jayz for record deal)but I must admit she is pretty.

tinasheeeee July 6, 2014 at 3:06 pm

you’re a ho too, but you’re pretty

Princess June 12, 2014 at 8:18 pm

She is a beautiful mixed race woman. She’s not Black. Her eyes are green. That’s a result from the Irish in her. Non-mixed Black people cannot have colored eyes!

Michella Murphy June 13, 2014 at 9:33 am

you obviously know nothing about black people, do research on peoples of Africa before you make dummy comments, but she did get her hazel, not green eyes from her dad’s side, yes hazel!!!

curlsofgold June 22, 2014 at 12:16 pm

No, well they’re actually green. Hazel has to be 50/50 since the majority is green that’s what it’s considered. (Learned that at the DMV)

meladean August 21, 2014 at 10:34 am

to Princess, you sound very ignorant its sad. ANYBODY can have light eyes. Even non mixed black people. & Yes she Is black. She’s more black than anything else. Honey, please educate yourself.

EatEricRoberts December 10, 2014 at 10:07 pm

you are not the decider

andrew December 11, 2014 at 6:02 am

“EatEricRoberts” what a crazy nickname!

noneofyourbusiness December 11, 2014 at 5:04 am

To “Meladean”… Wow, you must be joking, right? You seem to be the ignorant one, not “Princess”. Black people with colored eyes have European admixture. Take a genetics class and a science class, and you will learn this. It is impossible for someone of full African descent to have colored eyes.

flyleaf226 August 29, 2014 at 4:09 pm

Yeah she is black. Black people can have light skin and light eyes regardless if they are mixed or not because of the huge diversity in the African phenotype.

Caribbeangirl September 27, 2014 at 4:56 am

Actually non mixed blacks Can !!! just like they/we can have blonde hair google black people with colored eyes !

Alice September 28, 2014 at 12:35 am

The mutation for blue and lighter eye colour only occurred after populations left Africa. The same for mutations for light skin, blond and red hair etc. So no a full Africa will not have non-brown eyes. The thing today is that many populations are mixed (even in Africa).

“Originally, we all had brown eyes”, said Prof Hans Eiberg from the University of Copenhagen, who led the team.
Blue eye colour most likely originated from the near east area or northwest part of the Black Sea region, where the great agriculture migration to the northern part of Europe took place in the Neolithic periods about six–10,000 years ago.”


fuzzybear44 September 28, 2014 at 2:00 am


Ok my question is this, when did the pale skin mutation happen, and what did people look like before that mutation?

Alice September 28, 2014 at 3:51 am

They would have been dark skinned. Europeans descend from more than 3 ancestral populations.


fuzzybear44 September 28, 2014 at 5:30 am

@Alice I was writing my comment,and didn’t you had answered

fuzzybear44 September 28, 2014 at 5:28 am


I was hoping you would have answered this before I had to leave.However i read the article,but it doesn’t say a full African can’t have light eyes.All it says is that it occurred when people left Africa,it says nothing about them not being black people anymore.Leaving Africa doesn’t change what you are or were,it just means you move to a new area, and call yourself something different now.Also when people migrated back to Africa,didn’t mean they change.Most blood mutations are (10.20,25,40,000yrs old),and those said people were black(umbrella term)
I see your article is written in 2008.However the ones written in 2014,say Blue eyes preceded pale skin by likely a wide margin,and the person who had the blue eye was black skinned.:http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/outdoors/richard-collins/new-discoveries-are-changing-what-we-believe-of-our-ancestors-258930.html#
In the second article,the pic they drew makes no sense.The description they gave doesn’t fit the picture,maybe they were looking at happy gillmore when they were drawing it,because he looks just like the golf caddy:
All those mutations you mentioned preceded the pale skin.Now if I’m not mistaken,don’t Asian have a different pale skin mutation from Europeans.Also don’t Melanesians have a different blond hair mutation from whites:
So how is it you say Africans can’t have their own mutations(like everyone else),seeing as Africans have the same genes as everyone else?It’s obvious they can have blue eyes,it’s just rare:

As you can see,some of these blue eyes look different.Most try to say there are 3 different reasons for blue eyes in Africans
1.European help
2. Waardenburg Syndrome
3. Natural mutation
The Rendille people who have been back in Africa for at least 5000 yrs,do have a good chuck of Eurasian heritage.They were studied back in the early 1900’s by various people like (William A. Chanler)who described them as :
the unmixed Rendille that his party encountered as tall, slender and reddish-brown in complexion, with soft, straight hair and narrow facial features and “fierce” blue eyes”.The description was backed up by other explorers in later years.Now I used them because I think after 5000 yrs,that makes them African again.The Eurasian DNA simply means that they lived in a area(ate the foods,fought off the illnesses,)which change their blood,then they went back. The pics I see today don’t show blue eyes,but that mean they didn’t have them.

Alice September 28, 2014 at 5:51 am

People have evolved over a period of time. The people that left Africa would not be the same as present Africans. People in Africa have evolved as well as groups that have left Africa. The genes for lighter skin, lighter eyes evolved in people that left Africa. Blue eyes are not typical in Asian and African populations. It’s not really difficult to grasp that different groups have adapted different traits otherwise we would all look the same.

Alice September 28, 2014 at 6:41 am

The blue eyed mutation has been traced to a single individual. There has not been numerous mutations of blue eyes. This is how they can pinpoint where it occurred. Looking at individuals who have blue eyes they all have the same mutation. The gene for light skin is found in Asians (a different mutation than Europeans) and Europeans.


fuzzybear44 September 28, 2014 at 7:09 am

(People have evolved over a period of time. The people that left Africa would not be the same as present Africans)

I never said they were like present day Africans.Many of the Africans that left were little blacks like (pygmies,Bush men,) later taller ones like (abs and so-called Negroes) left, while others came back

(People in Africa have evolved as well as groups that have left Africa)

Yes that’s true,but what people don’t seem to know is that Africa was a highway.People went in and out ,and turned around and did it again.However nothing said their skin color changed.If the pale mutation is only 6000 yrs old like they say,then the people who came back 10k must have looked the same color wise just like the people who were there. Phenotypical changes may have taken place( like soften hair,or Caucasiod nose).The in house Africans may have been taller, who knows.

( The genes for lighter skin, lighter eyes evolved in people that left Africa)

Ok say it evolved outside,who says it was a one shot deal.People left Africa 70,000 yrs ago,yet it took 63,000 yrs for them to turn light.Mean while as other spread out,others went back’

( Blue eyes are not typical in Asian and African populations. )

Exactly,which is where mutations come into play.As you said ,people continue to evolve even in Africa.After all even outside of Africa blue eyes started in one person first.

(It’s not really difficult to grasp that different groups have adapted different traits otherwise we would all look the same.)

Now Now,I can grasp the concept of people during this and that.But what I’m saying, is Africans have the same genes everyone else do,which means they have the same potential to mutated.As I have shown,the mutations are continuously happening.This is one reason why Albinism(in all it’s many forms) is so common in africa

fuzzybear44 September 28, 2014 at 7:34 am


(There has not been numerous mutations of blue eyes.)

I feel pretty sure that the people I have shown are not related to that blue eyed person(of so long ago),yet they still have blue eyes.Some of those people had (Waardenburg Syndrome) which is a mutation that affects their eyes,which mean there is more than one mutation that gives you blue eyes

Even your article admits:
“it simply shows that nature is constantly shuffling the human genome, creating a genetic cocktail of human chromosomes and trying out different changes as it does so.”

Alice September 28, 2014 at 7:43 am

The mutations for light skin and blue eyes have been traced so scientists know where they occurred. People adapted to different conditions over a long period of time. Northern Europe would require different traits to survive than Africa. The reason why Eskimos kept their dark skin is because of their fish rich diet. Europeans needed lighter skin to absorb Vitamin D when they started farming. In Africa it is an advantage to have dark skin due to the high amount of sunlight. Darker skin is not so advantageous in Northern Europe which is why some darker people have to take extra Vitamin D so they won’t have children that develop rickets and bone conditions.


Alice September 28, 2014 at 7:47 am

Blue eyes are just depigmented. The reason why people have blue eyes is because a switch has been turned off so that they don’t produce melanie in the outer area of the iris. The children with Waardenburg Syndrome don’t have the normal mutation for blue eyes. There eye colour is due to the disease. They also have distinctive features. It’s just like how dark hair can turn a reddish tint due to malnutrition. They don’t have the genetics for red hair but the result of malnutrition affects their hair colour.

fuzzybear44 September 28, 2014 at 8:31 am


Everything you wrote in your last two comments i already know.However this part here:

(Waardenburg Syndrome don’t have the normal mutation for blue eyes.)

That’s what I’m saying ,it’s a different mutation that still produces blue eyes.Those articles were written in 2008,and as you see long standing facts are continuously being change.It’s no telling what the new ones will say.

Well anyhow,have to go it was fun.No hard feeling, love you like a play cousin

midori29 June 10, 2014 at 1:04 pm

Final quote Rhianna is 70% Black West African and I stand by that percent.

midori29 June 10, 2014 at 12:55 pm

People just are not good at determining admixture. I am a black South American, I have seen numerous racial combinations I have been exposed to this since childhood. My mom would point out what combination of races her Carribean people were
I know dna and mixtures a mile away. RHIANNA is waaaaay more than half black. RHIANNA is mostly black West African about 70% and if she took a dna test I would be 100% correct. Vanessa Williams types are 50% West Africa waaay light er amd different featured than Rhianna.

person August 5, 2014 at 3:48 pm

Everybody’s “Black” to you.

midori29 June 10, 2014 at 12:51 pm

I can also agree to put Rhianna at the 60 to 70% range too as her Guyanese mom might have 5% of something else. As black Guyanese are similiar to African Americans.

Princess June 8, 2014 at 9:18 pm

Rihanna has Middle Eastern and Mexican roots as well.

tinasheeeee July 30, 2014 at 4:53 pm

No she doesn’t.

meladean August 21, 2014 at 10:36 am

No she doesn’t.

roman2886 May 26, 2014 at 3:59 pm

She is like bob marley born too a white father and a black mother there is White Barbadians as well White Jamaicans like Jamaicans Barbadians are mostly Black and Mulatto.

Rvolpi May 28, 2014 at 3:06 pm

She’s not biracial, in those terms… her father is.

tinasheeeee June 9, 2014 at 4:12 pm

You’re saying that her dad is & she’s not? That don’t make sense. If her dad is mixed than Rihanna is mixed as well.

midori29 June 10, 2014 at 1:02 pm

@roman Rhianna is not like Bob Marley, she does not have a white parent like Bob Marley.

corneliuskrenki May 26, 2014 at 6:29 am

subsaharan to me

shobohunter April 11, 2014 at 12:39 am

she just doesn’t look black at all dudes

andrew April 16, 2014 at 6:52 am

gavron yes and not her?

midori29 June 10, 2014 at 12:42 pm

Rhianna looks very black in her face

iceman March 27, 2014 at 7:41 am

The surname Fenty is Irish not Scottish , When the parliment of England invaded Ireland they sent 50,000 – 100,00 Irish slaves to the Caribbean

JustThatGuy March 10, 2014 at 8:21 am

As a biracial (half black and half white) guy, I look at her and I see a black woman. If her skin was just two shades darker, she could pass for being a pure blooded West African (with the exception of her eyes). Obviously she has SOME Caucasian ancestry, but she looks more sub-Saharan African than anything else.

midori29 June 10, 2014 at 12:45 pm

Yes I agree @JUST that Guy. Rhianna I would put at 75% black. Besides the eyes her face is not that attractive either. She has good hairstylists and wardrobe people.

Check7t February 23, 2014 at 1:35 am

50-55% black, no more.

JustThatGuy March 10, 2014 at 8:29 am

Nope, she has to be at LEAST 65-70% sub-Saharan African.

sararuiz April 4, 2014 at 9:59 pm

you guys are talking like you gave her a geneology test and even those aren’t very accurate

midori29 June 10, 2014 at 12:49 pm

I am a black South American Guyanese. Rhianna looks about 75% black way more than 50%. Rhianna has kinky hair, she wears fake straight hair and she has very West African features. Half black people dont look as black as she does normally. People are looking at her skin tone and eyes but that does not tell anything as 100% blacks have those characteristics.

If she were half black her features would be less West African and her hair would normally not be kinky which it is. You have to look at the whole picture.

Peanut February 7, 2014 at 7:40 am

i’d give her 2/3 black

midori29 February 21, 2014 at 4:14 pm

Rhianna is about 70-75% black. She is not biracial like Halle Berry she is mostly AFRICAN. And yes black people can have light eyes,like Tyra Banks.Plus both her parents are black.Its funny how peoplelike to mix up Rhianna and Beyonce just because they wear fake blonde hair.

MissG January 21, 2014 at 5:21 pm

The Fenty’s come from a line of Irish and Scott people that are referred to as “Red Legs” in Barbados… descendants of former Irish and Scottish slaves (possible Welsh) that were sent to Barbados as part of a massive purge of Catholics and ethnic cleansing by the English… the old saying goes that the Scotts were sent to work the fields in their Kilts, hence “red legs” (but in truth, it’s a derogatory term)

This white Barbados community is insular and most of them are all related (cousins)-they intermarried with each other until the 1900’s, so Rihanna’s grandmother Betty would be both Irish and Scottish on her paternal side.

So, Rihanna’s white European lineage would include Irish also because they were the largest group sent to Barbados and who make up the “Red Leg” community.



website about white Barbadians with picture of Rihanna’s grandmother and possible cousin (woman in above article)


The white Barbadian community had been facing many challenges in Barbados, such as poverty, alcoholism and crack use (like Rihanna’s father did, being that he is part of that community)

MissG January 21, 2014 at 1:59 am

Rihanna’s father is not a “black Barbadian”. He is mixed race and it’s not a secret, nor is it distant. Ronald Fenty’s mother is white, Irish. Her name is Betty Fenty


Obitituary of Rihanna’s father’s uncle, Peter Fenty

follers January 21, 2014 at 5:25 am

Thank you, but is there evidence that Rihanna’s grandmother has Irish ancestry? The surname “Fenty” is usually Scottish and Rihanna’s great-grandmother’s surname, “Coppin”, is usually English.

Brigzzz98 January 18, 2014 at 10:45 pm

She hardly looks black its so hard to tell what race ppl are these days evreyones so mixed what happened to pure race these days like mariah carey is she black or white??? I feel sorry for ppl like this they’re so confused about their ethnicities and race…

Janice January 21, 2014 at 8:42 pm

She definitely looks BLACK . LOOK AT HER FACE , HER SKIN ! WE COME IN DIFFERENT SKIN TONES AND, FACE FEATURES, YOU CAN THANK YOUR ANCESTORS FOR THAT . SHE PROBABLY GOT HER EYES FROM WAY DOWN HER FAMILY TRAIN BUT LOOK AT HER MOM.LOOK AT HER BROTHER , Just because she has those eyes and lighter skin does not make her mixed . She may be 1/45 of something but over all this girl to herself and reality is BLACK.

MissG January 21, 2014 at 10:28 pm

Janice, Rihanna is mixed race

Rihanna is 25% white (minimum)… her green eyes and light skin tone comes from her white ancestry and it’s not distant – her white grandmother (father’s mother) is still alive.


midori29 February 21, 2014 at 4:19 pm

Rhianna is not that light skinned. She is not Vanessa Williams light skinned. Rhianna is a meduim tone.There are many many blacks alot lighter than Rhianna.

MCantu February 15, 2014 at 8:51 pm

Shes a MGM

midori29 February 21, 2014 at 4:17 pm

I do not think she is MGM, I think she is majority black with a sprinkle of white.

midori29 February 21, 2014 at 4:16 pm

She definitely looks like a black woman and her parents are black. I wonder what people think black looks like??????

person July 26, 2014 at 6:23 pm

stop claiming everyone and their mom is ”black” gosh you’re annoying.

neiltennant January 17, 2014 at 5:38 am

90% goddess,
10% talented

fuzzybear44 January 17, 2014 at 5:50 am

(10% talented),that’s cold

The Beautiful Ones January 17, 2014 at 11:15 am

100% hideous

aaa January 9, 2014 at 7:41 pm

you should update this pic

How To Improve Your Brain January 7, 2014 at 4:45 pm

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lenkastyle January 7, 2014 at 12:17 am

i dont think she irish. black people too have green eyes

tinasheeeee June 19, 2014 at 6:39 pm

Her dad is Bajan & Irish so yes she is Irish.

Rena December 29, 2013 at 5:48 pm

Rihanna considers herself as a black female so that’s the end of it. Even if she is 3/4 black and 1/4 white she’s still mostly black.

No black person is 100% black.

me January 2, 2014 at 6:08 pm

Just STFU gosh

Chris K December 29, 2013 at 3:55 am

But honestly, just check out Rihanna photos at: http://www.ablackcelebrity.com/rihanna-pictures/

and be judge yourself, she is NOT mixed, she is black. Deal with it

This human January 2, 2014 at 6:09 pm

SHE’S mixed hater.

Janice January 21, 2014 at 8:44 pm

She is black , get over it . You can thank your ancestors for our different skin tones , and face features . I have blue eyes and I’m lightskin my grandmother is mixed but the rest of us from down the family tree our black . I just happened to take her eye color .

AnonymousPerson December 21, 2013 at 4:54 pm

Rihanna’s father is biracial!!! His father was a white man!

Julie December 22, 2013 at 10:20 am

His mom. His mom was Irish

scott December 22, 2013 at 10:35 am

Her father looks mixed


and this is her maternal grandparents, her grandfather also looks mixed, and it looks like he also has green eyes.


heres her mother


this would make Rihanna 3/8 white, but I guarantee her black ancestors also have some white since they’re African-American (the continent). This would bring her up to 1/2 white or more genetically. She has really light skin, and green eyes she obviously has a large amount of white ancestry, if you go back far enough and look at all her ancestors within the past 400 years theres probably an equal amount of black and white.

Chris K December 29, 2013 at 3:53 am

What a crock of horse shi…Be realistic man, you honestly think she is up to “1/2 white” — What science classes did you take? That’s not how DNA works. First of all the black gene is progressive and the white gene is recessive, google and understand that first.

She is 100% black, just because she is light skinned doesn’t mean she is mixed with white. Go to Africa and you will see people of all shades of color but they are black. Skin lighting is more so an environmental change than anything else.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but listen to her interviews, she never claims to be white, lol especially not “up to 1/2 white” — ARE YOU SERIOUS? Lol she has NO white family members at all.

andrew December 29, 2013 at 11:50 am

chris k, I cant get if you’re stupid or you really believe in what you say. Can you reply me?

Taylor December 29, 2013 at 10:50 am

I said, her fathers mother was Irish. Read next time

AnonymousPerson December 21, 2013 at 4:52 pm

It’s obvious Rihanna is mixed.

native american January 6, 2014 at 9:29 pm


JustThatGuy March 10, 2014 at 8:23 am

But more black than anything else.

Every African American and Afro-Caribbean person has at least a marginal amount of white ancestry, and Rihanna is no exception to that. But she looks PREDOMINANTLY black.

Petal December 15, 2013 at 9:01 pm
indo December 19, 2013 at 6:23 pm

not natural her natural hair color is black.

INDO December 14, 2013 at 2:52 pm

they could’ve chose a more natural picture of her.

The Beautiful Ones December 9, 2013 at 12:52 pm

ugly to the bone, idk why it says Irish up here. She knows she’s black and that’s it!

gtprincess December 13, 2013 at 11:38 am

You sound stupid. First of all, you don’t have to be mixed with White to be considered mixed or beautiful. Why should she leave out her Irish ancestry? You’re just hating! I bet she’s more beautiful than you, at least she’s proud of herself and proud to be Caribbean and mixed!

The Beautiful Ones December 17, 2013 at 11:27 am

I don’t think so “got testicles” princess. She’s not beautiful, that was my whole point stupid! And she’s not Irish either!

bryan December 20, 2013 at 9:43 pm

are u calling black people ugly? u think the only reason she mentioned irish was because she thought it would make her seem beautiful?

The Beautiful Ones January 7, 2014 at 9:54 am

For one thing, dude I wasn’t talking to you. Another thing, nowhere in my comment did I call black people ugly. I called Rihanna ugly. You misread my comment. And even if she doesn’t have Irish in her or whatever, she’d still be ugly. She’s ugly period, no matter “what” she is. Good day, sir.

Erica December 27, 2013 at 6:14 pm

How in hell would you know what she is? You can’t always assume someone is just african. She obiviously is mixed. DUH! You are in denial.

The Beautiful Ones January 7, 2014 at 9:56 am

Did I say anything about her being African? No stupid. And I wasn’t talking to YOU either.

gtprincess December 27, 2013 at 10:03 pm

Shut up you ugly retard..you don’t even know who you are..go suck on something you illiterate twit! All I know is that rihanna look better than your dumb slow ass.

The Beautiful Ones January 7, 2014 at 9:51 am

@ gtesticles: wow, such a kiss ass. Did she ever do anything for you? why are you so angry with my comment calling her ugly? She is ugly. I’m entitled to my opinion. And my opinion is that YOU are the dumbass buttkissing bitch with no life defending someone who doesn’t give a woot about you. Oh and one more thing, go get circumcised why don’t ya!

native american January 6, 2014 at 9:30 pm

Such a cunt cunt cunt .

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