John Oates

by ethnic on December 29, 2007

john oates

Birth Name: John William Oates

Place of Birth: New York City, New York, U.S.

Date of Birth: April 7, 1948

Ethnicity:
*Gibraltarian, including English, Spanish [Andalusian, Extremaduran, Valencian], Italian, Portuguese, possibly Moorish (father)
*Italian (mother)

John Oates is an American musician and music producer. He was a member of the band Hall & Oates, with Daryl Hall.

John’s father, Alfred William “Al” Oates, was from a Gibraltarian family, of English, Spanish [Andalusian, Extremaduran, Valencian], Italian, Portuguese, and possibly Moorish, background. John’s mother was of Italian descent. He is married to Aimee Oates, with whom he has a son.

On page 10 of his autobiography, Change of Seasons: A Memoir, 2017, John writes:

My father’s father was a military policeman… who married a local girl of Spanish and Moorish descent… Around the same time, [John’s maternal grandparents were] a young couple from the Salerno area of Southern Italy.

It is not clear if this Moorish ancestry has been verified/documented. Some people of Spanish background are said, rightly or wrongly, to have “Moorish” ancestry.

John’s paternal grandfather was William Alfred Oates (the son of Alfred Charles Oates and Josefa Martinez). William was born on Gibraltar. Alfred was the son of an English prison warden, William John Oates, of Kent, and of Antonia González, who was of Portuguese descent.

John’s paternal grandmother was Ana Perera (the daughter of José Perera and Isabel Bernarda Bayochi). Anna was born on Gibraltar. José’s father, Manuel Perera, was the son of a Portuguese emigrant, José Pereira (later Perera), of Tavira, Faro, and of Ana Delgado Ruiz, who was Spanish, from Ronda, Málaga. John’s great-grandfather José’s mother, Cipriana María Soiza, was the daughter of Portuguese emigrants, João de Sousa (later Juan Soiza), of Vila Real, Vila Real, and Catarina (later Catalina) Contreras, of Olhão, Faro. John’s great-grandmother Isabel was the daughter of Luis Cayetano Bayochi, who was of half Italian and half Spanish (Andalusian) descent, and of Ana María Dolores Álvarez, who was of Spanish (5/8 Andalusian, 1/4 Valencian, and 1/8 Extremaduran) descent.

John’s maternal grandmother was named Clementina DePalma.

Sources: Genealogy of John Oates (focusing on his father’s side) – https://www.geni.com

Genealogy of John’s father (focusing on his own mother’s side) – http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com

John’s father on the 1930 U.S. Census – https://familysearch.org

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madman January 6, 2018 at 3:43 am

Moor is:
1. An outdated term, that isn’t used anymore, for a group that doesn’t exist today.
2. Not even an ethnicity, but a collective term for muslims in Southern Europe and parts of North Africa.

Either replace it with North African or Arab, or, preferably, remove it. We now have a genealogy of John’s grandmother that doesn’t show recent North African ancestry, and more or less all Spanish people have North African ancestry if you go back far enough.

follers January 6, 2018 at 7:54 am

John Oates and Carly Simon both used it, and they’re as hip at it gets, so the term can’t be that outdated.

Manila January 5, 2018 at 2:57 am

William was the son of Alfred Charles Oates and Josefa Martínez. Alfred was the son of English prison warden, William John Oates, of Kent, and of Antonia González, who was of Portuguese descent.

Correct John’s paternal grandmother’s name to Ana Perera (Anna Perera is her Latin name). Also, correct her own parents to José Perera and Isabel Bernarda Bayochi. José’s father, Manuel Perera, was the son of Portuguese emigrant, José Pereira (later Perera), of Tavira, Faro, and of Ana Delgado Ruiz, who was Spanish, from Ronda, Málaga. John’s great-grandfather José’s mother, Cipriana Soiza, was the daughter of Portuguese emigrants, João de Sousa (later Juan Soiza), of Vila Real, Vila Real, and of Catarina (later Catalina) Contreras, of Olhão, Faro. Isabel was the daughter of Luis Cayetano Bayochi, who was of half Italian and half Spanish (Andalusian) descent, and of Ana María Dolores Álvarez, who was of Spanish (5/8 Andalusian, 1/4 Valencian, and 1/8 Extremaduran) descent.

Lastly, add Italian and Portuguese as part of John’s Gibraltarian ancestry. Add Andalusian, Extremaduran, and Valencian as parts of Spanish ancestry.

Genealogy of John Oates (focusing on his father’s side) – https://www.geni.com/people/John-Oates/6000000056197232842

Remarks:
1. For his Italian Gibraltarian ancestry – Livorno -> Tuscan
Crotone -> Calabrian

2. I can’t verify Josefa Martínez’s parentage. The couple doesn’t appear on the Gibraltar marriage index (both civil and Catholic). If you would like to search for their marriage record manually, check here: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/440722?availability=Family%20History%20Library

Manila January 5, 2018 at 11:00 pm

Cipriana’s middle name is María

savanna April 7, 2017 at 9:52 am

In his memoir (pg. 10) he writes: “My father’s father was a military policeman… who married a local girl of Spanish and Moorish descent… Around the same time, [his maternal grandparents were] a young couple from the Salerno area of Southern Italy”. https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1250082668

His maternal grandmother was Clementina DePalma.

madman February 7, 2017 at 10:47 am

Father’s genealogy: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=may_family&id=P2190410984

Anna was the daughter of Manuel Perera and Isabella Balloqui.

blue August 30, 2015 at 7:42 am

The first time i saw him i thought he was Puerto rican.

Wiki says that his father is from England and Gibraltar. Gibraltar is very multicultural, english , genoese, spanish, jewish and a lot of morrocans, indians… I think he has a lot of morrocan in him, because he doesnt fit in southern europe.

link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Gibraltar

I love his music.

Manila August 30, 2015 at 5:28 am
Manila April 17, 2015 at 3:02 am

His father’s full name is Alfred William “Al” Oates according to his public record: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KRTY-VCV

His paternal grandparents are William Oates and Anna (I don’t know her maiden surname) according to 1930 US Census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X42C-L8X and 1940 US Census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQTH-G3Y

Manila April 17, 2015 at 3:20 am

I would like to add William Oates’ middle name Alfred: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11900-9970-10?cc=1861144

Paul December 22, 2011 at 7:47 pm

Spanish-Moorish is just another way of saying black without saying it. You add the “SPanish-Moorish” with the Italian and you have a man who is basically mulatto, hence his appearance and his jet-black CURLY hair! You know he is not white white, just look at him next to Darryl Hall!

Jadon March 19, 2012 at 8:16 pm

I agree. I knew he probably had either Spanish or African decent blood in him, but wasn’t sure which one. I thought either Daryl is just THAT pale or John is that tan. Then I thought there’s no such thing as a permanant tan, his skin is always darker. And then I noticed the hair. I’m black so I know black hair and his seemed close to it. Not that close, but mulatto close. So that’s where I got to where I am today. “Moor” threw me in a spin but I knew it means so mething African related. There’s no shame in just saying his dad was of British and North African decent, there’s probably tons of people like that. Again, I agree with you 100%!

Mike September 18, 2012 at 10:25 am

I would have loved to hear you try to figure out my eldest daughter. According to you, she’d have been of some degree of African descent, and who knows, maybe somewhere way, way back, she is. She’d certainly give John Oates a run for his money with lovely, long, black curly hair, and a slightly cafe au lait skin tone. I’m of 100% Irish descent and my wife is 1/2 Hispanic (one great grandparent, probably Basque, actually born in Spain)-Native American and 1/2 Greek (mother actually from Athens). Despite my wife’s lineage, she’s a fair skinned brunette with straight hair, and one might guess her to be from France or Northern Italy. I’m afraid the one person you’d never guess is responsible for my daughter’s “ethnic” look. Her paternal grandfather. He was one of the so called “black Irish” one reads about. He looked Sicilian if you ask me, and because he was like me, a naval officer and outside a lot, he was permanently tanned. His skin toned lightened in his old age, but one could tell there was more genetics than the Sun involved in his appearance. His hair was black and curly, his eyes dark brown. His twin sister meanwhile had straight hair and blue eyes. They were twins with nine older siblings, with several versions of green, brown (almost “black”), and blue eyes spread among them. Blond to black hair, and there is no doubt that they are all brothers and sisters as otherwise, they all looked like each other. This is a trait that has extended into my own family. My eldest is as described, my middle daughter has green eyes like mine, fair skin and blond hair (mine was light brown before it all went gray); and my son looks like JFK, Jr.; great hair that people would kill to have, brown eyes with a nice tan. Otherwise, he’s as Irish-looking as Paddy’s Pig. Genetics is an interesting science, and one that often results in morphotypes that are quite unexpected, but not altogether surprising if one understands how it all works.

roman2886 August 5, 2014 at 4:34 pm

That’s like saying if you add an Native American with a White person you get a Eurasian.

Pedro October 20, 2011 at 12:37 pm

There’s no such thing as “Spanish Moorish”. In medieval Spain, a “moor” was a Muslim. After the reconquista the vast majority of moors were expelled to North Africa and the few remaining ones converted and thus ceased to be “moors” and intermixed with the Christian population.
That was all before 1500. 500 years later it’s not only impossible to know who’s ancestors were converted moors but also, there’s no separate ethnic “moor” identity in Spain. Everybody is just Spanish (or maybe Catalan, Basque, Gallician, etc), there’s no such thing as a “moor” community.

i found this web by accident February 7, 2010 at 6:15 am

i cud of sword he was mexican, but thats a awesome mix he got…explains his looks too, especially the moorish look on him.

ethnic October 15, 2009 at 11:45 pm

I doubt that highly

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All wrong October 15, 2009 at 6:32 pm

John Oates is Native American…

irmhild lindquist December 23, 2008 at 10:01 am

Moors, Moorish-Spanish. Yes, from northern Africa. Check out features of Moroccan ethnicity that has similarity to John Oates:

http://images.google.com/images?q=moroccan+faces&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=G&imgtype=face&as_st=y

Cat November 18, 2008 at 9:58 am

Moors are people of African decent as in the Moor Othello in the Shakespearian play of the same name.

ethnic October 27, 2008 at 2:06 am

Moors are people originally from northern Africa some of which inhabited Spain and Portugal hundreds of years ago.

charli October 27, 2008 at 12:19 am

What is Spanish-Moorish?

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